sfarson Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Quickly.... When I copy from my Pillar Commentary as a citation, it shows in Microsoft Word nicely with a citation footnote at the bottom. When I do the same from my Renewal Theology resource, nothing shows as a citation. Do citations only work with some resources? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 This could be an oversight; we'll look into it. Generally speaking, all Tools (books, commentaries, etc. - not texts) should generate a bibliography citation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Palmer Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 FWIW, my Copy as Citation works in Renewal Theology (version 1.1) pasting into Pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfarson Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 Well.... It's working today! Who knows, maybe exiting out of the program or a reboot helped. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Hi, I find that with most "tools" I use in Accordance that Copy as Citation does not provide something useful for footnoting. i.e., it merely copies the text highlighted. e.g., if I highlight something in BDAG or HALOT, or some commentary what ends up on the clipboard is not a citation reference, but the text highlighted. Copying as Bibliography does nothing. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 It sounds like something is off on your end. Can you provide a specific example, screen shot, and what word processor you're trying to paste into? *screen shot of your bibliography prefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Hi Rick, I don't think the word processor is relevant here. For the situations I described, pasting into Text Edit shows nothing's on the clipboard when, for example, highlighting text in HALOT. Whereas, highlighting some text (see attachment) in HALOT and selecting to copy as citation, copies the highlighted text... but provides no information helpful as to the source of the text. e.g., HALOT text highlighted: preferences for bibliography: preferences for citations: Interestingly, for this situation there's no option to Copy as Reference. It's greyed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Brown Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Ideck, since you have 'Insert citation as footnote' selected, the footnote only appears if you are copying to a word processor that supports footnotes, which is not the case for TextEdit. You need to either paste to Word, Pages, Mellel, etc., or you need to take off that option if your processor doesn't support footnoting from the clipboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Ah! Thanks Joel. Okay there you go... I didn't realise how this was meant to work obviously. Apologies. Yet pasting the citation into LibreOffice a footnote though certainly is provided doesn't include information for the location of the reference. (e.g., via page number or s.v., in its absence). Copying as Bibliography seems to crash LibreOffice. Any reason why Copy as Reference is not an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Brown Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Copy as Reference applies specifically to Bible References, Copy as Bibliography is what you want if you simply want the cited location in the passage. Most tools, but not all, have page numbers. Are you sure you are copying from a tool that contains a page number? Could you perhaps post a sample of your export? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Yep definitely copying from a tool that has page numbers (as attached earlier). Just tried copying from Tyndale's Commentary and no page number included in the footnote. Copying from HALOT also shows no page number in the footnote. Copying and Bibliography, when pasting as mentioned seems to crash LibreOffice. The reason why I asked about Copy as Reference is because the term 'Bibliography' implies (for Turabian) the end of document bibliographic information which doesn't include page numbers or similar, but which book was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Yep definitely copying from a tool that has page numbers (as attached earlier). Just tried copying from Tyndale's Commentary and no page number included in the footnote. Copying from HALOT also shows no page number in the footnote. Copying and Bibliography, when pasting as mentioned seems to crash LibreOffice. The reason why I asked about Copy as Reference is because the term 'Bibliography' implies (for Turabian) the end of document bibliographic information which doesn't include page numbers or similar, but which book was used. I just attempted citations from both HALOT and Tyndale Commentary and both worked, inserting a citation as a footnote with page numbers, in LibreOffice (4.4.1.2), OpenOffice (4.1.1), and Microsoft Word (14.4.8; 15.8.0) - all of those Mac versions, but I can test on Windows as well if needed. For OpenOffice, and LibreOffice I did notice that the Hebrew in the HALOT citation was not rendered properly, but you can manually edit it. Copy as Bibliography in LibreOffice also crashed the app for me. It did not crash OpenOffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks Rick. So how do I track down why this might not be working for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I'm using LibreOffice Version: 4.4.0.3. Crash log attached when attempting to paste Bibliography. soffice_2015-03-17-063153_LDeck.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks Rick. So how do I track down why this might not be working for me? I recommend contacting Support and possibly scheduling a screen share. I'm using LibreOffice Version: 4.4.0.3. Crash log attached when attempting to paste Bibliography. http://www.accordancebible.com/forums/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gifsoffice_2015-03-17-063153_LDeck.txt This appears to be a LibreOffice issue as it does not occur with any other word processor we've tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Ah. I see that page numbers are included if I change the citation setting to Turabian footnote. It'd be great if "sub verbo" (i.e., s.v.,) was supported for resources that don't use page numbers instead of n.p. But, if I've selected "Insert citation as footnote" why does the footnote content also get included in the text body of the document? Btw, the citation footnote doesn't appear to match Turabian style. No italics for the book name (see http://press.uchicago.edu/books/turabian/turabian_citationguide.html). It'd be great to be able to Copy as Reference in Tools (to just copy the page number or s.v.). I'll see if I can trace down the Bibliography paste crash via LibreOffice forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Btw, the crash is only if pasting Bibliography as footnote. I found a great tool for converting the Bibliography information to Bibtex http://anystyle.io There's a range of options for converting to RIS/BibTex: https://www.zotero.org/support/kb/importing_formatted_bibliographies Anystyle seems to work well, and can be trained which is cool. Right so the only thing I need to know now is how to find out what page I'm looking at in a commentary (for example) that's being displayed as a parallel to a Bible. Any suggestions? I can of course copy a citation to Text Edit, and then grab it from there, but it would be nice if it was more immediately available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 It'd be great if "sub verbo" (i.e., s.v.,) was supported for resources that don't use page numbers instead of n.p. That's not according to Turabian spec. But, if I've selected "Insert citation as footnote" why does the footnote content also get included in the text body of the document? I noticed this as well in LibreOffice. I think it's a bug or something. If you click on the footnote number it will then show in the proper location. No italics for the book name I think this is also a LibreOffice bug. If you paste the same exact text into OpenOffice or Word italics do appear. Note that according to spec, an abbreviation for a resource which is a name (i.e. BDAG) is intentionally not italicized. Based on these tests today, I think you're better off using OpenOffice as a free/open source alternative to Word. But, if you are interested in a low-cost alternative, we highly recommend Mellel (Mac). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 That's not according to Turabian spec. Sure, Sub verbo is intended for documents arranged by "key terms" https://books.google.com.au/books?id=fqkgAgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=snippet&q=sub%20verbo&f=false Next possibility: "section" (sec.). https://books.google.com.au/books?id=fqkgAgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=snippet&q=sec.&f=false Or chapter, or something more specific than n.p. :-) Based on these tests today, I think you're better off using OpenOffice as a free/open source alternative to Word. Is Pages meant to work? It doesn't for me (with inserting footnotes). I've downloaded OpenOffice and confirmed that it pastes without crashing and keeps formatting. That's a shame. LibreOffice has some niceties... so looks like I'll need OO for copying references at the least. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 s.v. is already used in lexicons and dictionaries. e.g. The examples you gave in Turabian seem not to apply to cases where page numbers are omitted from electronic resources, but resources which do not use page numbers at all. I have thought to look into using our 'paragraph' number as a location like Kindle uses. I will revisit this at some point when updating Turabian. Pages will not automatically support footnote insertion unless you use an AppleScript. Thanks for the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldeck Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Thanks Rick. I'd avoid following Kindle on this one if possible. It's location percentage is not well received in academic circles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Thanks Rick. I'd avoid following Kindle on this one if possible. It's location percentage is not well received in academic circles I wasn't referring to a percentage, but our paragraph number which is visible in the place of a page number when absent. This is actually more specific than a page number. That said, academics do not want anything but the actual page number for a resource with a print counterpart. The good news is that the majority of our resources have pages, and more are being added even now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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