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Hi ya,

 

  I ran across this last night and nearly filed a correction on it. But this is not broken. But I don't understand exactly what I'm seeing and I'm hoping someone might be able to point me to an explanation. In some entries in the LSJ lexicon one sees things like this :

 

ἀποσκευή, ἡ, removal, riddance, i.e. assassination, J. AJ 18.2.4.

II baggage, in sg. and pl., Plb. 2.3.7, 1.66.7, Plu. 2.174a, etc.; household stuff, LXX Ge. 34.29, UPZ 110iii90 (ii B.C.), etc.; δόμων ἀ. Ezek. Exag. 209 .

III ordure, filth, v.l. Str. 14.1.37. [scanned ^ _ ^ _ by Ezek. l.c.]

 

Now the section I've marked in bold is the point in question. I know from the abbreviations that Ezek. l.c mean :

 

Ezekiel Poeta Judaeus [Ezek.]    ii B.C.

l. c., ll. cc. = loco citato, locis citatis

 

And I believe that Scanned indicates how one should scan (roughly I interpret as, pronounce in meter or verse) the word in verse context. What should one make of ^ _ ^ _ ? These marks are not present with all "scanned" indications but these and others do occur. I cannot find an explanation in the book itself of what these mean. I do see this in the VI. Signs, etc. section:

 

[ ] Between these brackets stand the Prosodial remarks

 

but that does not explain the content.

 

Anyone know where I can find this out ?

 

Thx

D

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Someone needs to look at a hard copy as the online versions show the same text. (I just searched Google for "removal, riddance, i.e. assassination").

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Here's a picture of a hard copy, ninth edition (1940), 1983 printing. Neither the main section nor the supplement have any mention of these symbols.post-29215-0-91494800-1425648622_thumb.jpg

 

[Note: I feel like a text critic, checking the original MSS! :rolleyes: ]

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Hi Helen, Tim, yes I had checked Perseus before a logged this and saw the same thing there. Tim your image is interesting because the symbols are slightly different. And those symbols the little semi-circles occur in the digital edition but not on this word.  I searched LSJ English Content for "scanned" and found twenty one cases, though not all have these types of symbols. So they are pretty rare.

 

thx

D

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I posted a question about this on facebook's Nerdy Language Majors page (a great group, by the way). Here's the response I received from Dan Warne:

 

It refers to Greek meter, which makes use of long and short syllables. In this case the selection *scans* "short-long-short-long" (two iambs). Perhaps someone else could provide a lengthier explanation or a link to a helpful article on Greek meter.

 

I'll post the article on meter, if anyone suggests one.

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Thanx for doing that. I had a few minutes this morning to poke about and there is a bit in a wikipedia article on it but I haven't absorbed it yet but it accords with this. This is the link I was looking at - it's specific to Greek. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre_%28poetry%29.

 

But yes I'd love to see any article if someone posts one.

 

Thx

D

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Hah!

 

That's the very article someone on Nerdy Language Majors recommended. Enjoy!

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Excellent. Many thanx.

Thx

D
 

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Tim, could you post an image of the entry for ἀάατος? I'm interested to see what's there.

 

For a large number of these kinds of data I tried to replace them with appropriate marks:

 

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But tragically it seems that you can't search for these characters…

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Sure, happy to, Graham!

 

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Looks like you nailed it. :)

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Thanx for cleaning up the marks Graham. Speaking of searching, are you considering adding a Prosody search field by any chance ? Not that I write Epic poetry :) but just interested.

 

Thx

D

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I'm going to have to say…

 

nope.

 

well, at least not right now. ;)

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But tragically it seems that you can't search for these characters…

 

I played with this a bit this morning.

 

It turns out we can search for these symbols with the standard character search (period+character) in the Greek field. However, the Character palette represents these characters differently. The upper curved line is a left angle (shift+option+comma) and the upper straight line is a right angle (shift+option+period). Both will successfully find the appropriate characters.

 

I'm not sure why the characters appear so differently in the Character palette. They appear in the same way in the Search Entry box, but I assure you they do work.

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Simply Brilliant™, Tim! ;)

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[chuckle] Thanks, Graham!

 

Personally, I think we have a team of "really shiny" people at Accordance. :D

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I'm going to have to say…

 

nope.

 

well, at least not right now. ;)

Understood - no problem.

 

Dr J. Thanks for the search. I tried doing this on Windows and it is doable there but you need to use the Windows Character Map to enter the Breve character. They are unicode U+00AF Macron, Alt+0175 keystroke for the high horizontal line, and Unicode U+02D8 Breve which seems to have no Alt code. Curiously they render as left and right angle as on Mac.

 

I didn't realise until now that the character search like this highlights the entire word not just the hit character. In addition if you search Greek content for .α it will find all occurrences of words containing the letter 'a' which doesn't seem quite correct. If you think that's a bug let me know I can file a separate issue on it.

 

Thx

D

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I once asked Roy Brown why a character hit highlighted the entire word. He told me they made this decision in the early days of Accordance. The reason they did so was that individual characters (especially accents, breathing marks, etc.) are often difficult to spot, even when the hit style is a different color. Highlighting the entire word in which the character is found was intended to help users spot them.

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Thanx for the explanation. I wondered if it might be something like that. Make sense.

The thing that puzzled me more was finding 'a' for alpha in a Greek content character search.

 

Thx

D

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