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Posted 13 June 2015 - 09:09 AM

Most likely I can't convince mum to take any of my laptops right now (she's nit-picky about monitor size so I offered her what would currently be my fastest laptop if expanding the RAM to 8 GB), so I'm trying to lend the laptop that I would eventually lend to mum, to my best friend for now for about 3 years, it's the one I mentioned in the parenthesis in this sentence, it has i7 (propably 1st generation) quad core, Win 8.1, 128 GB SSD and Logos 6.2 with "Now" installed as well as Noet 6.0b, I downloaded added resources to the latter installation a few days ago.

 

I'm considering choosing between these two Mac laptops:

mid-2012 http://www.tradera.c...book-pro-13-ssd Macbook Pro
13"
CPU: i5 2.5 GHz 
RAM: 4 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Disk: one 120 GB SSD, one 500 GB original HDD.
Trackpad supports gestures.
Mac2sell.net values it today to $835, in Sweden, incl. VAT (which is 25%).
Auction, current bid $384.

late-2007 http://www.blocket.s...2.htm?ca=11&w=1 Macbook Pro
15"
Motherboard changed to a brand new one Winter 2011/2012 on the warranty to a new one in an authorized shop because of a known problem with the graphics of the model.
CPU: Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz
RAM: expandable to 6 GB, the upgrade costs $129 http://eshop.macsale...Book/Pro/Core2/ ... and that's actually a really good shop so I would order a 3.5" disk to replace a worn out one in an old quad-core Win 8.1 desktop I have plus perhaps something more, from the same store at the same time.
Graphics: 144 MB.
Disk: 240 GB SSD Samsung 830-series and a 320 GB replacement HDD, and another same HDD together with purchase of the used laptop.
Mac2sell.net values it (with the 6 GB RAM) today to $430, incl. VAT (which is 25%).
Price: $305 + some for getting it with the SSD.

 

Accordance would certainly run on the older machine. On the newer machine I could have version 6 of one of the Faithlife softwares, but disk space is limited so can't install all three. The old machine would take Verbum 5 and Logos 5.

 

There is also a 17" machine similar to the 2007 one but not with changed motherboard, comes with 8 GB RAM instead, and is from 2009, but the seller isn't replying me, I've written two email, first email very early in the morning Europe-time.

Which Mac would do?


Please SEE THIS recent LINK about Bible versions: https://www.christia...curate.7926578/
Moffatt version that I find I can focus on in the commuter traffic for more devotional reading - I also have the commentary set: https://www.christia...-bible.7618350/
And NPP and English translations and commentaries as well as as a bit about learning the original languages: https://www.christia...posts/72219172/
Commentaries: https://community.lo...795.aspx#830795
I'm growing only my Accordance and print libraries. I also occasionally duplicate things, depending on price. I don't buy Collections/base-packages at all, to me an OK print library is a Collection/base-package and is bragging-rights, a mid-size Collection would not be!! Books copyrighted in the most recent Years (2011 and later) have to be truly exceptional for me to buy them. I very rarely have to add any lexicons or Bible Dictionaries, I access them wherever, under Accordance I have bought HALOT and BDAG used. Otherwise I prefer BAGD actually which I have under L6.9. The best One-volume Bible commentary is Oxford Bible commentary. NAB70 OT and L6 functionality including Chineze (which I don't speak/read) under spare account. The Oxford Bible Commentary under other one pretty large current account that is the one I actually use. /Oct. 16. 2017 Edited Jan. 14. 2018. My current comparison March 20.-21. 2017 of two laptops: https://community.lo...520.aspx#891520
 ... and compared to a laptop I used to have recently, things like speed and battery life
yesterday was 2 years since I returned from an archaeological trip to Turkey. /Apr 16. 2016 A bit of interest in Akkadian or Babylonian. /Apr. 2016
Besides my Macbook referenced below I have a few Windows, among the toughest I have are: 4GB (upgrading to 16 GB) W7 i3 3110 3rd gen Ivy Bridge (since it's W7 Professional and huge battery that actually can be gripped while carrying it open) | Until a Year ago I had: 8GB W10 AMD FX-7600P (since it's AMD:s best laptop CPU - I LOVE AMD) it had the slightly overkill AMD R7 270DX 2GB graphics, i was bought new on Oct. 30. (tomorrow from 
Örebro by train) 2015 returned item so lower bargain price not on a sale. My desktop has the excellent value for money G2030 CPU Ivy Bridge
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This one is waiting for yet another motherboard change and I'm not sure it will get done IF everything continues the same: OS X 10.11 El Capitan on my 2007 Macbook Pro, with motherboard changed when it was 4 years old, disks changed as well: main drive 256 GB SSD, two new batteries. The 6 GB RAM and the two USB 3.0 ports for it (the latter through ExpressCard slot) just arrived this afternoon. /June 17. 2015


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Posted 13 June 2015 - 12:08 PM

I'm in contact with all the sellers except I didn't put in a bid on the mid-2012 Mac since during the final five minutes the price in the auction went up like crazy: the final and winning bid was $512.
The 2009 one may have went up a little - there are several interested and I'm calling him in 5 minutes from now.
The 2007 one with the new motherboard is purchasable - but like I mentioned I would have to agree on the exact price when including the SSD:

Most likely I can't convince mum to take any of my laptops right now (she's nit-picky about monitor size so I offered her what would currently be my fastest laptop if expanding the RAM to 8 GB), so I'm trying to lend the laptop that I would eventually lend to mum, to my best friend for now for about 3 years, it's the one I mentioned in the parenthesis in this sentence, it has i7 (propably 1st generation) quad core, Win 8.1, 128 GB SSD and Logos 6.2 with "Now" installed as well as Noet 6.0b, I downloaded added resources to the latter installation a few days ago.

 

I'm considering choosing between these two Mac laptops:

mid-2012 http://www.tradera.c...book-pro-13-ssd Macbook Pro
13"
CPU: i5 2.5 GHz 
[...]
Mac2sell.net values it today to $835, in Sweden, incl. VAT (which is 25%).
Auction, current bid $384.

late-2007 http://www.blocket.s...2.htm?ca=11&w=1 Macbook Pro
15"
Motherboard changed to a brand new one Winter 2011/2012 on the warranty to a new one in an authorized shop because of a known problem with the graphics of the model.
CPU: Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz
RAM: expandable to 6 GB, the upgrade costs $129
[...]
Mac2sell.net values it (with the 6 GB RAM) today to $430, incl. VAT (which is 25%).
Price: $305 + some for getting it with the SSD.

 


[...]

 

There is also a 17" machine similar to the 2007 one but not with changed motherboard, comes with 8 GB RAM instead, and is from 2009, but the seller isn't replying me, I've written two email, first email very early in the morning Europe-time.

Which Mac would do?


Please SEE THIS recent LINK about Bible versions: https://www.christia...curate.7926578/
Moffatt version that I find I can focus on in the commuter traffic for more devotional reading - I also have the commentary set: https://www.christia...-bible.7618350/
And NPP and English translations and commentaries as well as as a bit about learning the original languages: https://www.christia...posts/72219172/
Commentaries: https://community.lo...795.aspx#830795
I'm growing only my Accordance and print libraries. I also occasionally duplicate things, depending on price. I don't buy Collections/base-packages at all, to me an OK print library is a Collection/base-package and is bragging-rights, a mid-size Collection would not be!! Books copyrighted in the most recent Years (2011 and later) have to be truly exceptional for me to buy them. I very rarely have to add any lexicons or Bible Dictionaries, I access them wherever, under Accordance I have bought HALOT and BDAG used. Otherwise I prefer BAGD actually which I have under L6.9. The best One-volume Bible commentary is Oxford Bible commentary. NAB70 OT and L6 functionality including Chineze (which I don't speak/read) under spare account. The Oxford Bible Commentary under other one pretty large current account that is the one I actually use. /Oct. 16. 2017 Edited Jan. 14. 2018. My current comparison March 20.-21. 2017 of two laptops: https://community.lo...520.aspx#891520
 ... and compared to a laptop I used to have recently, things like speed and battery life
yesterday was 2 years since I returned from an archaeological trip to Turkey. /Apr 16. 2016 A bit of interest in Akkadian or Babylonian. /Apr. 2016
Besides my Macbook referenced below I have a few Windows, among the toughest I have are: 4GB (upgrading to 16 GB) W7 i3 3110 3rd gen Ivy Bridge (since it's W7 Professional and huge battery that actually can be gripped while carrying it open) | Until a Year ago I had: 8GB W10 AMD FX-7600P (since it's AMD:s best laptop CPU - I LOVE AMD) it had the slightly overkill AMD R7 270DX 2GB graphics, i was bought new on Oct. 30. (tomorrow from 
Örebro by train) 2015 returned item so lower bargain price not on a sale. My desktop has the excellent value for money G2030 CPU Ivy Bridge
Relevant and representative Facebook: https://www.facebook...100009160762403 (see also my Twitter).
Was on a vacation in Germany by car July 21. - Aug. 1. 2014 relaxing, evangelizing a little, while studying.
Going to teach myself the asq -programming language years later on. /June 16.-Oct 10. 2015-Apr. 16. 2016
This one is waiting for yet another motherboard change and I'm not sure it will get done IF everything continues the same: OS X 10.11 El Capitan on my 2007 Macbook Pro, with motherboard changed when it was 4 years old, disks changed as well: main drive 256 GB SSD, two new batteries. The 6 GB RAM and the two USB 3.0 ports for it (the latter through ExpressCard slot) just arrived this afternoon. /June 17. 2015


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Posted 13 June 2015 - 01:49 PM

I'm in contact with all the sellers except I didn't put in a bid on the mid-2012 Mac since during the final five minutes the price in the auction went up like crazy: the final and winning bid was $512.
The 2009 one may have went up a little - there are several interested and I'm calling him in 5 minutes from now.
The 2007 one with the new motherboard is purchasable - but like I mentioned I would have to agree on the exact price when including the SSD:

 

With your requirements, I would get the 256 SSD and add the memory later. Think of it this way, to buy a new SSD would be around $250. You get the hardware for $100.



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Posted 13 June 2015 - 02:05 PM

The seller of the 2007 MacBook Pro 15" with the motherboard changed, is asking for $85 extra for the 240 GB SSD and is giving service free of charge: he is putting the SSD in it (the HDD:s have been in it for some time while it has been a second computer and not used much), and equipping it with partitions with both an older OS X and version 10.10, and showing me how to start installing Mac and Windows on it. I also asked him how the mouse works, which he is going to show. The 240 GB SSD was carefully purchased for this particular model and cost $282 new (with the currency exchange rate between Swedish krona and USD back then) and the new HDD:s bought at the same time, 3 years ago, and the SSD and one HDD and were used for 1 year and thereafter only little. Until the motherboard was changed and still for ½ a year after the change of it, the computer was used a lot as the main computer.
He has used OpenOffice on it with the SSD and it functions so fast You barely have time to think while it works.
New battery is needed, and if using a lot of battery it goes down from 6 hours as new rapidly to 1 hour, but he hasn't used the computer with battery since the motherboard-change.
What's good about this model is that the battery can be changed very easily, I like that and am going to use that feature:

The 2007 one with the new motherboard is purchasable - but like I mentioned I would have to agree on the exact price when including the SSD:

 

 

 

 

Yes, that's approximately what I've done with most of my computers, sometimes I choose an SSD sometimes an SSHD (hybrid drive) as disk. Many times an SSHD would be enough performance boost but I haven't found any with more than 8 GB NAND Flash ("SSD-part"), and with this Mac I need to get the electricity consumption during battery usage down. However I would like to avoid putting effort into upgrades after June 2015 and to be able to install Verbum at the end of June. I'll check how fast the RAM would ship. More RAM would help at the installation phase of Verbum. Also need to decide soon how much RAM because Yosemite requires a lot of RAM compared to some older system.
Is any of the following overseas shipping methods suitable for HDD:s and a good compromise between speed and cost with gentle enough handling? Sorry for asking but there are so many options, last time I had to choose was when ordering the print NIDB from Cokesbury at a sale new. (From http://eshop.macsale...m/shop/shipping):

DHL International Express
5:30PM
5:30PM
Ships Monday
FedEx International Economy
6:40PM
6:40PM
12:00PM
FedEx International Priority
6:40PM
6:40PM
12:00PM
UPS Express Saver International (1-2lb Padded Pack)
6:40PM
8:00PM
12:00PM
UPS Worldwide Expedited
7:30PM
8:00PM
 12:00PM
UPS Worldwide Express
7:50PM
8:00PM
12:00PM
UPS Worldwide Saver
7:50PM
8:00PM
12:00PM
International Mail Delivery
1:00PM
1:00PM
Ships Monday
US Postal Service: Express Mail International
1:00PM
1:00PM
Ships Monday
US Postal Service: First Class Mail International Package
1:00PM
1:00PM
Ships Monday
US Postal Service: First Class Mail International Package
12:30PM
12:30PM
Ships Monday
US Postal Service: Priority Mail International
1:00PM
1:00PM
Ships Monday
US Postal Service: US Priority Mail International
12:30PM
12:30PM
Ships Monday

With your requirements, I would get the 256 SSD and add the memory later. Think of it this way, to buy a new SSD would be around $250. You get the hardware for $100.

 

Please SEE THIS recent LINK about Bible versions: https://www.christia...curate.7926578/
Moffatt version that I find I can focus on in the commuter traffic for more devotional reading - I also have the commentary set: https://www.christia...-bible.7618350/
And NPP and English translations and commentaries as well as as a bit about learning the original languages: https://www.christia...posts/72219172/
Commentaries: https://community.lo...795.aspx#830795
I'm growing only my Accordance and print libraries. I also occasionally duplicate things, depending on price. I don't buy Collections/base-packages at all, to me an OK print library is a Collection/base-package and is bragging-rights, a mid-size Collection would not be!! Books copyrighted in the most recent Years (2011 and later) have to be truly exceptional for me to buy them. I very rarely have to add any lexicons or Bible Dictionaries, I access them wherever, under Accordance I have bought HALOT and BDAG used. Otherwise I prefer BAGD actually which I have under L6.9. The best One-volume Bible commentary is Oxford Bible commentary. NAB70 OT and L6 functionality including Chineze (which I don't speak/read) under spare account. The Oxford Bible Commentary under other one pretty large current account that is the one I actually use. /Oct. 16. 2017 Edited Jan. 14. 2018. My current comparison March 20.-21. 2017 of two laptops: https://community.lo...520.aspx#891520
 ... and compared to a laptop I used to have recently, things like speed and battery life
yesterday was 2 years since I returned from an archaeological trip to Turkey. /Apr 16. 2016 A bit of interest in Akkadian or Babylonian. /Apr. 2016
Besides my Macbook referenced below I have a few Windows, among the toughest I have are: 4GB (upgrading to 16 GB) W7 i3 3110 3rd gen Ivy Bridge (since it's W7 Professional and huge battery that actually can be gripped while carrying it open) | Until a Year ago I had: 8GB W10 AMD FX-7600P (since it's AMD:s best laptop CPU - I LOVE AMD) it had the slightly overkill AMD R7 270DX 2GB graphics, i was bought new on Oct. 30. (tomorrow from 
Örebro by train) 2015 returned item so lower bargain price not on a sale. My desktop has the excellent value for money G2030 CPU Ivy Bridge
Relevant and representative Facebook: https://www.facebook...100009160762403 (see also my Twitter).
Was on a vacation in Germany by car July 21. - Aug. 1. 2014 relaxing, evangelizing a little, while studying.
Going to teach myself the asq -programming language years later on. /June 16.-Oct 10. 2015-Apr. 16. 2016
This one is waiting for yet another motherboard change and I'm not sure it will get done IF everything continues the same: OS X 10.11 El Capitan on my 2007 Macbook Pro, with motherboard changed when it was 4 years old, disks changed as well: main drive 256 GB SSD, two new batteries. The 6 GB RAM and the two USB 3.0 ports for it (the latter through ExpressCard slot) just arrived this afternoon. /June 17. 2015


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Posted 15 June 2015 - 07:37 AM

I ordered a USB 3.0 port for the free ExpressCard slot together with the 6 GB RAM for my MacBookPro3,1.


Please SEE THIS recent LINK about Bible versions: https://www.christia...curate.7926578/
Moffatt version that I find I can focus on in the commuter traffic for more devotional reading - I also have the commentary set: https://www.christia...-bible.7618350/
And NPP and English translations and commentaries as well as as a bit about learning the original languages: https://www.christia...posts/72219172/
Commentaries: https://community.lo...795.aspx#830795
I'm growing only my Accordance and print libraries. I also occasionally duplicate things, depending on price. I don't buy Collections/base-packages at all, to me an OK print library is a Collection/base-package and is bragging-rights, a mid-size Collection would not be!! Books copyrighted in the most recent Years (2011 and later) have to be truly exceptional for me to buy them. I very rarely have to add any lexicons or Bible Dictionaries, I access them wherever, under Accordance I have bought HALOT and BDAG used. Otherwise I prefer BAGD actually which I have under L6.9. The best One-volume Bible commentary is Oxford Bible commentary. NAB70 OT and L6 functionality including Chineze (which I don't speak/read) under spare account. The Oxford Bible Commentary under other one pretty large current account that is the one I actually use. /Oct. 16. 2017 Edited Jan. 14. 2018. My current comparison March 20.-21. 2017 of two laptops: https://community.lo...520.aspx#891520
 ... and compared to a laptop I used to have recently, things like speed and battery life
yesterday was 2 years since I returned from an archaeological trip to Turkey. /Apr 16. 2016 A bit of interest in Akkadian or Babylonian. /Apr. 2016
Besides my Macbook referenced below I have a few Windows, among the toughest I have are: 4GB (upgrading to 16 GB) W7 i3 3110 3rd gen Ivy Bridge (since it's W7 Professional and huge battery that actually can be gripped while carrying it open) | Until a Year ago I had: 8GB W10 AMD FX-7600P (since it's AMD:s best laptop CPU - I LOVE AMD) it had the slightly overkill AMD R7 270DX 2GB graphics, i was bought new on Oct. 30. (tomorrow from 
Örebro by train) 2015 returned item so lower bargain price not on a sale. My desktop has the excellent value for money G2030 CPU Ivy Bridge
Relevant and representative Facebook: https://www.facebook...100009160762403 (see also my Twitter).
Was on a vacation in Germany by car July 21. - Aug. 1. 2014 relaxing, evangelizing a little, while studying.
Going to teach myself the asq -programming language years later on. /June 16.-Oct 10. 2015-Apr. 16. 2016
This one is waiting for yet another motherboard change and I'm not sure it will get done IF everything continues the same: OS X 10.11 El Capitan on my 2007 Macbook Pro, with motherboard changed when it was 4 years old, disks changed as well: main drive 256 GB SSD, two new batteries. The 6 GB RAM and the two USB 3.0 ports for it (the latter through ExpressCard slot) just arrived this afternoon. /June 17. 2015


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 01:01 PM

Michel, let us know how it goes. There are some who say that Snow Leopard was the last great operating system for Mac.

 

Hi,

 

 

For my first productivity adventure, see my post at http://www.accordanc...011/#entry78404

 

I'm very pleased with my MacBook so far. I expected Accordance to be fast and it is. I was also pleasantly surprised with the speed of BW and Logos on it, which I use on occasion.

 

I'll keep you posted.

 

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 09:04 PM

Hi,

 

My Mac adventure has ended with a misadventure. I got three flickering light blue/with a tinge of green screens of death, all associated with remote desktop software - TeamViewer and VNC - that affects the permissions. I couldn't boot into Safe or Recovery mode, and after I booted onto the installation DVD, Disk and Permissions Repair didn’t solve the problem. I had to freshly install SL three times yesterday and today. It might be a W10 issue, but I don’t know.

 

But, my overall experience was a positive one. I really like the simplicity of OS X, and the calming effect of not having to update and reboot constantly. I can delay and control the updates on my W10 Pro, but the W10 Home edition is already driving me crazy. In many ways OSX reminds me of Linux and Android.

 

If $ was no object, I'd get a Mac tomorrow. But, my Windows machines usually last a decade, so it might be five years or more before I shop for one.

 

So, from now on I'll be reading these Forums with a bit of envy, knowing that the majority of you receive calming computer therapy every day.

 

Regards,

 

Michel


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Posted 13 August 2015 - 11:20 PM

If you like it you can look into Hackintosh... just google that.. Not ideally but one can run mac OS and some PC hardware.

 

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 07:55 AM

Or...,

Sell the current Windows desktop.

Buy a Mac.

Run both Mac and Windows applications on it.

Keep the Windows tablet and run the full version of Accordance on it.

Live a stress-free life.


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 09:06 AM

Hey Michel,

 

  On the win 10 updates - yes I've not upgraded yet - how frequently are you seeing patching on the Home edition ? I have both Home and Pro editions of Windows.

  Curious because while I agree that keeping stuff patched up is basically goodness constant interruption is very irritating.

 

Thx

D


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 10:25 AM

Hey Michel,

 

  On the win 10 updates - yes I've not upgraded yet - how frequently are you seeing patching on the Home edition ? I have both Home and Pro editions of Windows.

  Curious because while I agree that keeping stuff patched up is basically goodness constant interruption is very irritating.

 

Thx

D

 

Hey Daniel,

 

I agree with you.

 

I've never found Windows stable enough to leave on all the time, especially after a few sleep/wake cycles, so I've never scheduled updates for the wee hours of the morning. I just turn off my machines at night and restart them every morning. And, I always turned off automatic updates and did them manually. I can still control the updates in W10 Pro, but W10 downloads them automatically.

I use my Home Edition as a remote desktop viewer, usually at night, so I haven't used it that much. But a couple of days ago it notified me without warning that it was installing updates. I could have scheduled a restart time, but there is no option for when I actually restart it in the am. Without scheduling a time, Windows restarts automatically, choosing a time at idle, which turns out to be unpredictable. It is also annoying to come back to your computer expecting to pick up where you left off, and see the sign in screen. So I chose to restart right away, and it took almost 15 minutes. This has happened a few times already.

 

I guess I never knew how annoying this all was until I started using my MacBook. Installing, updating, and uninstalling programs usually didn't require a restart. And since I only have Snow Leopard, there were only a few OS updates. I actually felt a calmness and serenity in OSX.

 

Otherwise, W10 is very stable so far. I found W8.1 the same. But I never really used W8.1. On the third day I bought Start8 that brought back the W7 Start Button. So, W10 is almost identical to my W8.1 setup. I just chose to keep a few tiles in the Start menu - Control Panel, Run, Cmd, etc. The only issue I've had is that Office 365 won't update, continuing the tradition of bugs in its own OS.

 

Btw, I only use W10 as a local account, and I turned off almost every Privacy setting that Microsoft had turned on.

 

Regards,

 

Michel


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 11:57 AM

 

If you like it you can look into Hackintosh.. . . 

 

 

I've thought about it. Probably not the right Forum to discuss it.  :) 

 

 

 

Sell the current Windows desktop.

Buy a Mac.

Run both Mac and Windows applications on it.

 

 

 . . . but that wouldn't even amount to a 10% downpayment. It might not even pay for W10.  :)

 

Btw, I would prefer to work in OS X and use some Windows programs in a remote desktop. So, I decided to try again, this time with NoMachine. I'm starting with the 7 pass erase this time, so I might be able to install SL again late this afternoon.

 

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 12:28 PM

I don't usually experience stability issues on Windows, touch wood. I usually only reboot for patching (unless I'm travelling somewhere with the laptop). I do sleep or hibernate (the laptop not me alas :) ), usually the latter, nightly on my laptop. Another machine runs constantly and it is not normally shutdown. A second laptop takes a bit of a beating, first being a cheapo box, and secondly using various edu/game sites which do horrible things to browsers I suspect so it gets a reboot more frequently. These are all win 7.

 

My Mac on the other hand has an issue where about every week or so I need to reboot it to quiet an out of control fan. Still haven't been able to track that down. Just doesn't hurt enough to really go after it - dodgey temp sensor I suspect but oh well.

 

Win 10 I would hope will settle down on the patching front once the initial patch phase passes but this may be a vain hope. Otherwise they need to make it less intrusive.

 

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Edited by Daniel Semler, 14 August 2015 - 01:00 PM.

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Posted 19 August 2015 - 04:58 PM

Hey Michel,

 

  On the win 10 updates - yes I've not upgraded yet - how frequently are you seeing patching on the Home edition ? I have both Home and Pro editions of Windows.

  Curious because while I agree that keeping stuff patched up is basically goodness constant interruption is very irritating.

 

Thx

D

 

 

Hey Daniel,

 

More information about updates:

 

Right now W10 Home is automatically downloading. It’s about the fourth time in a week. I’m writing this on my Mac as W10 is restarting. As I glance over, it’s taking longer than it should. Now it says, "We couldn’t complete the updates. Undoing changes. Don’t turn off your computer.” This is ridiculous.

 

But even more shocking, my internet connection has been very slow of late, even down to 100 kb/sec downloads. So I did some searching and found out that my computer’s bandwidth is being used to download W10! See the article, “Windows 10 commandeers users' upload bandwidth” at http://www.computerw...-bandwidth.html

 

After I read this I checked, and sure enough, it was turned on.

 

This is unbelievable to me.

 

Regards,

 

Michel

 

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Posted 19 August 2015 - 05:08 PM

Thanx for the update Michel.

 

Yep I've read about WUDO. I must say that so far I have not been impressed by what I have heard that has been turned on by default - WUDO, Wifi Sense, forced updates, resetting defaults like your browser of choice etc. I am watching the dust settle at the moment and mulling over what to do with my Win 7 boxes. Linux is looking better and better but honestly that's a bunch of work too. All the windows stuff can be dealt with but the defaults, or notification (smaller blue type on blue background for the note on retaining current default settings) are not how I would set them.

 

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Edited by Daniel Semler, 19 August 2015 - 05:09 PM.

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"Du stammst vom Herrn Adam und der Herrin Eva ab", sagte Aslan. "Und das ist zugleich Ehre genug, um das Häupt des ärmsten Bettlers zu erheben, und genug, um die Schultern des größten Kaisers auf Erden zu beugen. Sei zufrieden." Aslan, Die Chroniken von Narnia, Prinz Kaspian von Narnia. CS Lewis. Übersetzt von Wolfgang Holbein und Christian Rendel.

 

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Posted 19 August 2015 - 05:17 PM

I agree, I can deal with the settings, but I can’t deal with the interruptions and lack of real transparency. Now it’s downloading the same update, KB3081444. As soon as it’s successful, I’ll downgrade to W8.1.

 

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