Julia Falling Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Hey – When adding Greek to a User Note, I frequently get a note that looks like this, where the Greek font is wrong: If I reopen the note and save it, it fixes itself. Thanks. I'm using Galatia SIL for my unicode Greek. (Anyone else seeing this?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaakov Jannis Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 The Hebrew is much worse. I can't even type multiple languages in a note file. Ironic, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Yaakov – I can get it in there (usually a copy and paste, but sometimes by typing), and it will look right in the edit window, but when I save, the Greek morphs into the wrong Gk font. Reopening and resaving corrects it. There is an issue, but it's not debilitating. With Hebrew, the going right to left makes it more complicated. I'm only a beginner so I'd be having problems with Hebrew even without a glitch. Edited June 18, 2015 by Julie Falling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Yaakov, please update to version 11 as we have and are greatly improving the use of Hebrew and other languages in the Notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaakov Jannis Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I don't find the solution of upgrading appealing. The limitations in notes should receive immediate attention and be available in all your supported versions. A colleague of mine has v.11 and he has said to wait because the note bugs are likewise evident in v.11. I'll keep my shekels and use a trusty paper and pen, as I've done for years. Once Accordance comprehensively fixes the problems with notes, I'll consider parting with some of my shekels. Until then, it's hard to be beat paper and ink (and they require no batteries either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 Yaakov – The User Notes problems have been addressed – in version 11. I'm sure there are more improvements coming. But what you're asking is that an older version have the all the features of a newer version. Is that really reasonable? The glitch I've seen in minor. I posted so that it might be addressed in the 11.07 version. Your issues have already been addressed. Any problems I might have with Hebrew are my problem, being a beginner, not Accordance's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Jenney Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Yaakov, It's certainly your decision whether to use paper and pen or a computer, specifically User Notes and Tools. However, please be aware that we don't release all of the features of an Accordance version with the first rev. We update regularly and significantly throughout the version, sometimes with VERY significant feature additions. Those that have been with us awhile know this, but I thought perhaps you might not. I also don't know what dot-update your friend has, so I can't comment about what changes have been made since then. Our most significant update to User Notes (in many years) is yet to be released. We expect it this summer, but it will certainly be in Accordance 11. Edited June 18, 2015 by Timothy Jenney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaakov Jannis Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Julie, First, let me say your generalization, "all the features of a newer version," is certainly not what I said. Perhaps for monolingual folks, it is easy to assume that writing in a foreign language is a feature. For me, it's a function as I can think, write, and read Hebrew. So, I am asking that the severe limitations be addressed because it's a problem. I have no idea what other features you have in mind, but my comments above address the significant limitations for those of use who speak and regularly write in Hebrew. Tim, Thanks for you comment. Once I see some hard data, I will consider whether it's worth the price. Not to be hard or crass, but I doubt I will find it worth the value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Jenney Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 No problem, Yaakov, I do understand. I will tell you that our owners, who live in Israel most of the year, are very frustrated by the current difficulty in switching back and forth from English to Hebrew. it's been a Mac issue for a long time—and not just in Accordance (Can anyone say MS Word for Mac?!?). Our president and chief programmer has been working on this feature for weeks, trying to get it just right. I'm certain he'd appreciate a few prayers for divine assistance! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Once I see some hard data, I will consider whether it's worth the price. Hi Yaakov, Please see my post at http://www.accordancebible.com/forums/topic/16163-unicode-hebrew-in-mac-versions-of-accordance-11-scrivener-2-and-word-2011/?do=findComment&comment=78404 I hope it helps. Regards, Michel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Jenney Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Excellent, Michael, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaakov Jannis Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) מצוין! So you are telling me all I need to do is to downgrade to an OS my computer can't run and then I can expect Hebrew to work OK? Really? I love the proposals you guys come up with. I thought maybe, given we are talking about Apple products and associated applications, the programming would be the way forward. Insanely great right now is extremely frustrating—unless you use a pen and paper. Edited June 18, 2015 by Yaakov Jannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Jenney Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Yaakov, I think you misunderstood Michael (though he may want to speak for himself). There's no reason why you'd have to have to move back to Snow Leopard to use his other suggestions. It's just the latest Mac OS that his old MacBook would run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Yaakov, Dr. J. is right. I've only had a Mac computer with Accordance on it for a few days now, but I assume the Hebrew keyboard and Unicode fonts work the same way in later versions of OS X. I had similar frustrations with Hebrew in Acc 10, and posted many times about it. But to their great credit, Accordance fixed just about everything I pointed out, with improvements in Acc 10 and more permanent solutions based on Unicode compliance in Acc 11. My post in Original Languages wasn't written specifically with you in mind. It was part of my Mac Adventure post that I thought also belonged in Original Languages, but I thought it might help you. I even thought that since Acc pastes Hebrew as right to left, it would work even better at the moment for someone like you who wants to start and end with that text direction. However, now I wonder if that is the issue. I usually start and end with left to right text direction, and Acc works for entering Hebrew in English oriented texts. While you can type Heb in Acc 11 notes, the Hebrew words aren't right justified as you type. If that is a major issue, we could request it as a feature in the Notes. Sometimes I would like that, especially if I begin in Hebrew. Regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Falling Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Julie, First, let me say your generalization, "all the features of a newer version," is certainly not what I said. Perhaps for monolingual folks, it is easy to assume that writing in a foreign language is a feature. For me, it's a function as I can think, write, and read Hebrew. So, I am asking that the severe limitations be addressed because it's a problem. I have no idea what other features you have in mind, but my comments above address the significant limitations for those of use who speak and regularly write in Hebrew. Yaakov – Please accept my apology, sincere, for assuming that you were just inserting some Hebrew, instead of doing your entire set of notes in Hebrew. That is something with which I truly have no experience. I do know that the folks at Accordance are constantly in the process of improving the program. I hope the problems you're experiencing will be solved soon. I also apologize that this post has come so late in the day – I was not at home. Julie P.S. I'm one of those monolingual people to which you referred. Edited June 19, 2015 by Julie Falling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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