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#1 Larry Wing

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 02:23 PM

My subscription to Office 365 on my Windows 10 Surface Pro 3 is about to run out. Since I really don't need the "benefits" of MS Office I'm looking into using another word processor that can handled Accordance 11 URLs. 

 

Does anyone know how well Libre Office works with Accordance? I don't have installed as I wanted to ask before I did that.

 

 


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Posted 17 January 2016 - 02:50 PM

Hello Larry

 

Unfortunately I had it uninstalled the App Store Version of Vanilla Libre Office two days ago, because it had absolute an annoying behavior. But NeoOffice which is based on LibreOffice work by clicking with cmd. But it opens always a new WorkSpace. 

 

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Edited by Fabian, 17 January 2016 - 02:55 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 03:11 PM

I have used LibreOffice because I read somewhere it will open lots of old legacy file formats—and Word etc.

So while I haven't used it with Accordance, I have used it and it works well enough for me.

 

It gets a better rating on www.macupdate.com than NeoOffice and the other free office alternatives.

 

EDIT: I have used the Mac version, needless to say.


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Posted 17 January 2016 - 04:10 PM

I use LibreOffice on Mac and Windows.

I just tried a quick test with 11.1.3 and links work fine. There is a foible in the pasting in of the link. It pastes the text without a link target. You can fix it by editing the link. I think it may be because LO is not recognising the accord: protocol. But once in it works fine. It will bring up a new workspace though.

 

I have never used the version from the App Store. I just downloaded directly from libreoffice.

 

I can retest on Win 10 this afternoon/evening, assuming my Win 7 -> 10 upgrade goes smoothly.

 

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Edited by Daniel Semler, 17 January 2016 - 04:21 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 04:48 PM

Can I just say I hate the software subscription business model as a user.


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Posted 17 January 2016 - 05:53 PM

Ok the Win 10 upgrade went through ok. Much faster than I expect but that's the joy of SSDs.

Link behaviour in LO and Accordance is the same as Mac. So you need to paste the link text in hit Ctrl-K and paste the same text into the target of the link and hit enter. Then ctrl-click on the link works.

 

There is a problem in Acc which I'll open a new topic on. Its possible to end up with a second library pane open when the click is processed if the library is open in the workspace which is in focus - I think. Need to work out the proper test case.

 

Also, new workspace which has a tab set with recycle, so subsequent link clicks for the same text and search field will reuse the tab. But it looks like it opens a new workspace for each new tab it might otherwise need. I don't that that is down to LO though. I will need to do some tests.

 

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"Du stammst vom Herrn Adam und der Herrin Eva ab", sagte Aslan. "Und das ist zugleich Ehre genug, um das Häupt des ärmsten Bettlers zu erheben, und genug, um die Schultern des größten Kaisers auf Erden zu beugen. Sei zufrieden." Aslan, Die Chroniken von Narnia, Prinz Kaspian von Narnia. CS Lewis. Übersetzt von Wolfgang Holbein und Christian Rendel.

Accordance Syntax Search For Wallace's Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics : https://github.com/4...WallaceInSyntax

 

Accordance Crib Sheets: http://47rooks.com/l...ch-crib-sheets/

 

 

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:31 AM

Can I just say I hate the software subscription business model as a user.

Amen! Being an old-school Mac user I have tried to avoid using Microsoft products. This now extends to Google and Adobe. 


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:56 AM

OpenOffice has a native Mac version as well. I stopped updating / installing NeoOffice or LibrOffice once they launched their own version. I do not use it very much, but it seems to do everything just for the average user, and also supports Hebrew pretty well.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:36 AM

When Word was first released in 1990, it cost $495. PowerPoint and Excel were each also $495. So, a total of about $1500 for the three apps. Today you can get all three for $9.95/month, can share it among 5 family members, and you get 1TB of online storage as well. And you never have to pay to upgrade; you always have the latest version. It would take more than 12 years to equal the cost of the 1990 apps.

 

And, if you're an educator or student, the cost is only $20/year. I love the pay-as-you-go model. 


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 01:30 PM

LibreOffice is the most popular Open Office fork now, and that will only increase as Open Office gets left behind. It is incorrect to think of Open Office today as if it's the 'main'/'original'. It's the Apache fork, and it is almost dead. It has less than a fifth of the number of active developers that LibreOffice has. LibreOffice is compiled Mac native (which shouldn't be confused with nor errantly associated with the Java-wrapped NeoOffice), and it's code has been WAY improved and cleaned. LibreOffice is the spiritual direct descendant of OpenOffice.org. Today's Apache Open Office is the poor result of corporate politics.

 

Mark, I'm happy that you're happy, cause I like you and yearn for all God's children to be happy (especially the ones I like). But I haven't a clue what your discussion of 1990 prices has to do with anything.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 01:32 PM

LibreOffice is the most popular Open Office fork now, and that will only increase as Open Office gets left behind. It is incorrect to think of Open Office today as if it's the 'main'/'original'. It's the Apache fork, and it is almost dead. It has less than a fifth of the number of active developers that LibreOffice has. LibreOffice is compiled Mac native (which shouldn't be confused with nor errantly associated with the Java-wrapped NeoOffice), and it's code has been WAY improved and cleaned. LibreOffice is the spiritual direct descendant of OpenOffice.org. Today's Apache Open Office is the poor result of corporate politics.

 

Thanks for clarifying; I haven't been staying up with things recently.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 01:59 PM

Joe, 

 

Let my clarify. You stated that, as a user, you hated the software subscription model. I was simply demonstrating that it has resulted in a significant value enhancement for the user over the traditional business model.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 02:16 PM

Joe, 

 

Let my clarify. You stated that, as a user, you hated the software subscription model. I was simply demonstrating that it has resulted in a significant value enhancement for the user over the traditional business model.

Let me kindly say that I hope Accordance never follows this new business model. Like Joe, I don't like renting software. It is for that reason I continue to use Office 2011 and older versions of Adobe software. 


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:54 PM

When Word was first released in 1990, it cost $495. PowerPoint and Excel were each also $495. So, a total of about $1500 for the three apps. Today you can get all three for $9.95/month, can share it among 5 family members, and you get 1TB of online storage as well. And you never have to pay to upgrade; you always have the latest version. It would take more than 12 years to equal the cost of the 1990 apps.

 

And, if you're an educator or student, the cost is only $20/year. I love the pay-as-you-go model. 

Yeah, but no-one is comparing it to software prices of 25 years ago. They are comparing to to the free software of today.



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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:50 PM

Let me kindly say that I hope Accordance never follows this new business model. Like Joe, I don't like renting software. It is for that reason I continue to use Office 2011 and older versions of Adobe software. 

Accordance apparently has this thing where you need to use it online every couple of weeks or it shuts you out (this is described in some other thread on this forum).

You have to actively request to have it deactivated. It should be the other way around. I don't remember when this 'functionality' was sneaked in.



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 03:01 AM

Alistair: This applies only to people on a payment plan who basically are using software before they have fully purchased it. Once you have paid off the purchase, you will not need to be online every week. Most users never encounter this.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 07:46 AM

(which shouldn't be confused with nor errantly associated with the Java-wrapped NeoOffice)


I don't think this is accurate anymore for NeoOffice. NeoOffice is primarily available in the Mac App Store, which doesn't allow Java. And Neo has long included lots of native Mac elements that Openoffice didn't. That said, for all that I still use Neo personally, and was once an active support volunteer on Neo's forums, I would agree that LibreOffice or OpenOffice are probably better alternatives for Mac users now, as Neo is essentially a one man shop.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 08:26 AM

(which shouldn't be confused with nor errantly associated with the Java-wrapped NeoOffice)

Why came then all the time a pop-up in OpenOffice and LibreOffice, that Java was missed on my Mac? 

 

For me: All 3 can be better in Regex searchs and replaces. I miss some commands.

 

Greetings

 

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Edited by Fabian, 19 January 2016 - 08:46 AM.

Greetings

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:17 AM

I believe there is a lot of extension support is in Java. The support extension in C, python and Java.

 

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 01:32 PM

I downloaded LibreOffice from the App store, though haven't used it much. I think Java is only necessary for certain parts of the program. According to the system requirements it is needed for the database part. What I find interesting is that it can open older formats and older Pages documents.

 

For an alternative to Adobe software there is the new Affinity software (Photo and Designer) that is becoming popular. They are working on other programs as well. I have Affinity Photo and find it to be a great program.


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