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#1 VictoriousMaximus71

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 06:18 PM

Hi,

 

I am quite new to accordance, and was trying to figure out a way to search for all substantives. 

 

In addition to nouns, I also wanted to find all substantival adjectives, substantival infinitives, substantival participles, and any other substantive. 

 

Is there a search query or tag I could use to find all substantives?

 

Thanks,

 



#2 rwrobinson88

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Posted 18 March 2016 - 04:37 AM

You put this within the "syntax module" section. Are you wondering how to do this with the syntax module? Or with a regular morphological tagging search?



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 02:42 PM

I was thinking within the syntax module. But if its easier with "regular morphological tagging search", I'd be keen to find out how too?



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:05 PM

Greek or Hebrew?
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 09:18 PM

Greek. 



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 05:01 AM

Marco will probably have to chime in on this one. I don't think I know how to determine it is substantival alone from the syntax module (or morph).



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 06:43 AM

It should be possible to find most by searching for a subject or complement and inserting an adjective and/or infinitive with each, like this:

 

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 07:06 AM

I was also thinking of something like that. Still, it will have to be shifted through. 



#9 Robert Holmstedt

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 07:20 AM

Sifted for what? Aside from the stray error (which is why any serious user should always actually read the search results of *any* database), the results will only be adjectives used as subjects. That is the very definition of "substantival"-- a non-noun used as a noun. The same search for complements will work also.


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Posted 23 March 2016 - 08:14 AM

Sifted for what? Aside from the stray error (which is why any serious user should always actually read the search results of *any* database), the results will only be adjectives used as subjects. That is the very definition of "substantival"-- a non-noun used as a noun. The same search for complements will work also.

 

The subjects should be good, but I think you would have to filter out the complements of ειμι, [null], etc., which are predicate adjectives. I just realized I don't actually have the Greek syntax module so I am not sure exactly how these are tagged. In the Hebrew DB, however, וַיִּהְיוּ שְׁנֵיהֶם עֲרוּמִּים (Gen 2:15) is a hit on simply complement+adjective.


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Posted 23 March 2016 - 08:28 AM

Ok, yes, the comps are trickier. I was thinking too much about subjects. And I don't think there is a simple way to find substantival adjectives used as complements, unless you restrict it by using the article in front of the adjective, which is then not simply a predicate adjective.

 

-- Just checked and putting the article in front of (WITHIN=1) the complement=adjective seems to work pretty well.

 

And, of course, I have no idea how the Greek database deals with these.


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Posted 23 March 2016 - 08:59 AM

Thanks for clarifying Peter.

 

I was just pointing out the need to do that still. That is all. :) 

 

The Article will definitely help.

 

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Posted 27 March 2016 - 12:51 PM

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