Ιακοβ Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 What is the best way to learn to read these properly. I realise part of it will be needing to learn about the documents behind each of the symbols, but its not just that, because sometimes the footnotes contain special symbols which I also don't understand? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Hi Jacob, if you use instant details, or click on them, it will take you to an explanation of the symbols. Maybe I should come to Ridley and do a critical studies session for the Acc users (all 3 of you... ;-) ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram K-J Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Jacob, have you already tried using this NA28 resource? Alternatively, the introductory material and key at the beginning of the NA28 is actually pretty good, if you've got the time to tarry with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Just read the introduction. It covers everything, and then the instant details remind you as you hover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ιακοβ Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 I'll dig up and read the introduction. With regards to the mouseovers. If you mouseover the symbol in the greek text, I didn't realise that you could double click on that symbol to get a new window with each of the document numbers/codes and so on. However when you do this and mouseover one of the codes or symbols, you get another popup help that has almost as confusing symbols, although more understandable than the first popup (: Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ιακοβ Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Hi Jacob, if you use instant details, or click on them, it will take you to an explanation of the symbols. Maybe I should come to Ridley and do a critical studies session for the Acc users (all 3 of you... ;-) ) Wow, there are three of us? If I knew who they were we could probably team up and make our lives a bit easier. (Lately it seems that Ridley has been in the process of taking down PDF's and scans of online resources for each subject and replacing them with Logos links, even for on campus subjects where Logos is not mandatory. I had been going through and making a list of equivalent Accordance links (to the correct paragraph in the module corresponding to logos) for each week of material for some subjects, but I stopped, as it was apparently only useful for me. Edited April 28, 2016 by Ιακοβ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Wow, there are three of us? If I knew who they were we could probably team up and make our lives a bit easier. (Lately it seems that Ridley has been in the process of taking down PDF's and scans of online resources for each subject and replacing them with Logos links, even for on campus subjects where Logos is not mandatory. I had been going through and making a list of equivalent Accordance links (to the correct paragraph in the module corresponding to logos) for each week of material for some subjects, but I stopped, as it was apparently only useful for me. http://www.accordancebible.com/forums/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gifScreen Shot 2016-04-28 at 2.20.45 PM.png Last I heard, Anthea McCall was an accordance user, and I know graham Stanton is. Last time we ran a seminar there we had about 25 ppl turn up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Back on the original issue, do you have to use NA-28? UB S5 is way simpler to understand and in some ways better imho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ιακοβ Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Last I heard, Anthea McCall was an accordance user, and I know graham Stanton is. Last time we ran a seminar there we had about 25 ppl turn up Oh, but Anthea is staff. If I had to guess, I would guess that the only people at Ridley that would use Accordance, would be those that already owned Accordance prior to coming to Ridley. Back on the original issue, do you have to use NA-28? UB S5 is way simpler to understand and in some ways better imho. I have NA2x in Accordance, but not UBSx. I think thats because NA2x came with an accordance package. (Given they are essentially the same, I assume people don't usually buy both.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandennison Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I have to say, the apparatus tools and some dictionaries feel like one needs a secret decoder ring to understand what they are trying to say. Yes I can click on some symbols to get it, but definitely not the most user friendly things in the world. It seems like they are like UNIX man pages, helpful once you already know what you're doing. All said, I'm mostly there now in grokking it all, so it's a sunk cost from my POV, but we could make it more accesible for newbies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 The Apparatus is copyright to the German Bible Society. We have no way to make it more user-friendly than we already have with the links and Instant Details. There is a Guide to the NA28 and another to the BHS which should be helpful. The UBS Apparatus is a much simpler, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Simpson Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Oh, but Anthea is staff. If I had to guess, I would guess that the only people at Ridley that would use Accordance, would be those that already owned Accordance prior to coming to Ridley. I have NA2x in Accordance, but not UBSx. I think thats because NA2x came with an accordance package. (Given they are essentially the same, I assume people don't usually buy both.) My suggestion? Get UBS5 - you will use that. NA28 will likely become something you rarely consult. It is more arcane. There is a reason why many seminaries choose UBS5 over NA28 even though NA28 has the reputation of being more scholarly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Jacob, have you already tried using this NA28 resource? Alternatively, the introductory material and key at the beginning of the NA28 is actually pretty good, if you've got the time to tarry with it. Didn't know about that one. Good link! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) One alternative to the NA28 apparatus would be the UBS apparatus, which is different and perhaps easier to understand. (ass recommended by Ken above, now that I read his post) Edited May 5, 2016 by Alistair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Jacob, have you already tried using this NA28 resource? Alternatively, the introductory material and key at the beginning of the NA28 is actually pretty good, if you've got the time to tarry with it. I disagree. I prefer that. With your German surname you can certainly read in german too Greetings Fabian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abram K-J Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I disagree. I prefer that. With your German surname you can certainly read in german too Greetings Fabian No luck: I married in to my German name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 No german ally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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