Jump to content


Photo

Variant verses in Sirach missing in NABRE Notes module

NABRE Ben Sirach NETS LXX Göttingen

  • Please log in to reply
5 replies to this topic

#1 Michael J. Bolesta

Michael J. Bolesta

    Platinum

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,009 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Addison TX
  • Interests:scripture study, preaching, teaching
  • Accordance Version:12.x
  • Platforms:Mac OS X, iOS

Posted 01 May 2016 - 10:57 AM

I was reading Sirach 19 in NETS, and noticed verses in brackets and italics. I wanted to see how they were translated in NABRE, the NABRE notes "Other ancient texts read as vv (or v) 18, 19; 21, etc" (not 20b, also in NETS) but the text of said verses is absent. The verse numbers are links, but instant details is blank when hovering over them. Clicking the link does not produce the missing text.

 

These variant verses do appear in the print edition of NABRE. They also are found in Göttingen Sirach (but not Ralph's nor Swete).

 

They are found in the print notes of the New Jerusalem, but alas, Accordance has never had the NJB Notes (I suspect they were never supplied in the electronic text). I have asked for those before, but see little hope of seeing them.

 

I did report one instance of this phenomena via Report a Correction, but this appears to be a global issue in the NABRE Notes module as related to Sirach (e.g., Sir 20:32). I do not know how difficult it would be to add the missing text. I wonder if it was in the supplied e-text (given the recent provenance of this translation, it would be surprising if it was not part of the e-text).

 

Please consider revising NABRE Notes to include the missing variant text.


Edited by Michael J. Bolesta, 01 May 2016 - 11:00 AM.

Michael
Accordance on Macintosh, iPhone, and iPad

#2 Daniel Francis

Daniel Francis

    Platinum

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,870 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Alberta, Canada
  • Interests:Contemplative prayer, ecological stewardship, science-fiction, and cat herding are some of my interests.
  • Accordance Version:12.x
  • Platforms:Mac OS X, iOS

Posted 01 May 2016 - 02:28 PM

I know the notes of the full version of the NJB is one of the things that I wish to have most in my electronic library but seems a low priority for most.I know FL is offering to do them but they have not yet made it through their prepub system, so it may never come to being.

Dan
  • R. Mansfield likes this

#3 Michael J. Bolesta

Michael J. Bolesta

    Platinum

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,009 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Addison TX
  • Interests:scripture study, preaching, teaching
  • Accordance Version:12.x
  • Platforms:Mac OS X, iOS

Posted 01 May 2016 - 03:25 PM

I know the notes of the full version of the NJB is one of the things that I wish to have most in my electronic library but seems a low priority for most.I know FL is offering to do them but they have not yet made it through their prepub system, so it may never come to being.
Dan


I have asked for them too. Demand does not seem high. Thanks Dan!
  • Morgado likes this
Michael
Accordance on Macintosh, iPhone, and iPad

#4 Daniel Francis

Daniel Francis

    Platinum

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,870 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Alberta, Canada
  • Interests:Contemplative prayer, ecological stewardship, science-fiction, and cat herding are some of my interests.
  • Accordance Version:12.x
  • Platforms:Mac OS X, iOS

Posted 01 May 2016 - 10:06 PM

This is the full text start of Hebrews:

1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; 2 but in our time, the final days, a he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, b whom he appointed heir of all things c and through whom he made the ages. d 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, e sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. 

  a. In the fullness of time, Mk 1:15Ga 4:4c, the last times or the last days begin, Ac 2:171 P 1:20
  b. After the prophets, God sends an envoy who is no longer a mere messenger like the others; he is ‘Son’, cf. Mk 12:2-6Rm 1:4c, he is even the Word, Jn 1:1a14m
  c. To be a son implies having the right to inherit, cf. Mt 21:38Ga 4:7. Here, however, God is credited with the handing over of the whole creation because the inheritance in question is messianic and eschatological. 
  d. Hebraism for the whole of creation. 
  e. These two metaphors are borrowed from the sophia and logos theologies of Alexandria, Ws 7:25-26; they express both the identity of nature between Father and Son, and the distinction of persons. The Son is the brightness, the light shining from its source, which is the bright glory, see Ex 24:16f, of the Father (‘Light from Light’). He is also the replica, see Col 1:15d, of the Father’s substance, like an exact impression made by a seal on clay or wax, cf. Jn 14:9.

 

Not that i expect Accordance to offer it BUT if they really wanted too, I'd buy it instantly.

 

-Dan


Edited by Dan Francis, 01 May 2016 - 10:07 PM.


#5 Michael J. Bolesta

Michael J. Bolesta

    Platinum

  • Active Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,009 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Addison TX
  • Interests:scripture study, preaching, teaching
  • Accordance Version:12.x
  • Platforms:Mac OS X, iOS

Posted 02 May 2016 - 10:44 AM

1+
Michael
Accordance on Macintosh, iPhone, and iPad

#6 Mark Allison

Mark Allison

    Platinum

  • Accordance
  • 1,346 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Flowery Branch, GA
  • Accordance Version:12.x
  • Platforms:Mac OS X, Windows, iOS, Android

Posted 16 November 2018 - 09:03 AM

Version 2.1 of NABRE Notes is ready to download that adds the missing content to Sirach. Sorry it took so long! I just noticed this thread.


  • Daniel Francis likes this





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: NABRE, Ben Sirach, NETS, LXX Göttingen

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users