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#1 jasonhoffmanou

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 12:09 PM

Hi all,

 

My first post, but hoping you can help.

 

I believe I found a bug in the Greek Construct search.

 

I’m trying to find the following:

-A second-person plural imperative followed by a nominative plural participle.
 
The results should include Colossians 2:6-7. I’ve attached a screenshot of my construct. In the left column is my search results, on the right is Colossians 2:6-8 for reference.
 
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As a further explanation, I’m confused because of the following:
When I search for:
Verb: second plural imperative
-Results include: Col. 2:6 - περιπατεῖτε
 
When I search for:
Verb: participle plural nominative
-Results include: Col. 2:7 - ἐρριζωμένοι 
 
But, when I search for these within 3 words in the construct it does not include Col 2:6-7.
 
Am I doing something wrong in this search?
 

 

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 12:30 PM

Looks like you have your "Scope" set to "Verse," which is the default. Click the "+" to the right of your Search Entry box, then select "Scope" and "Chapter."

 

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 12:42 PM

I updated it, and still the same results (unless I did it wrong).

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 01:09 PM

There's definitely something wrong with the Search here. I just tried it with the WITHIN command, which I originally omitted. It works at WITHIN 4 Words, but not at 3. It should work at 2. I'll report it as a bug.

 

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 01:14 PM

Worked for me.

 

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 01:20 PM

What is interesting is the search works if the Scope is set to either Sentence or Paragraph, but not for Book or Chapter.



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Posted 31 May 2016 - 01:33 PM

Hmm, it's working for me when set to either Book or Chapter. Are you using the current version of Accordance (11.2)? Just trying to track down this issue.

 

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Posted 31 May 2016 - 05:29 PM

Yep, just updated to 11.2.0 today, restarted, and just tried the Construct again. 

 

A few added details:

-you have 24 hits, I get 26 hits.

-I'm using the NA 28 without sigla

-I don't have the syntax module installed



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Posted 31 May 2016 - 10:04 PM

Just throwing further spanners in, if I have WITHIN 3, scope sentence and set the range pulldown to Colossians I don't get the hit. If I just change the range to Pauline Epistles, NT or All text the hit appears. I cannot get Book or Chapter scope to return this hit either. If I switch to UBS 4 with Sigla then the hit appears with Book, but not chapter. GNT-EPT will return the hit with range Colossians and either book or chapter.

 

So it appears this may be at least in part module specific.

 

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Posted 01 June 2016 - 01:18 AM

This has definitely revealed some bugs that we will look into. I see no difference in the punctuation between the different texts.

 

When I use the same search as a search string:

 

[VERB second plural imperative] <WITHIN 2 Words> [VERB participle plural nominative]

 

it seems to pick up this pair whatever the Range, as long as the Scope is Sentence, Chapter, or Book, i.e. it works fine.


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Posted 01 June 2016 - 06:11 AM

Many thanks for the report. It seems this was a longstanding bug that affected construct searches involving tags rather than words and the WITHIN. It is fixed for the next rev which should be out in a few days.


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Posted 01 June 2016 - 09:05 AM

Glad to help, and thanks for such quick and helpful responses everyone! This is why I so excitedly and heartily recommend Accordance to everyone looking into Bible software, esp for language study.


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