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#1 AccordanceUser09

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 02:03 PM

Requesting Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary Module. Please!


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Posted 25 July 2016 - 03:40 AM

Hello, I warmly second your request as Vine's is still useable and informative imho.

Vine has written some very good commentaries too (some with Hogg) and a grammar for learning NT Greek.

 

This dict. has been requested before, but the opinion was - if I remember correctly - that the work was outdated (?) and that we have another exp. dictionary in A.: Renn's. Etc.

 

I use Vine's now in my other Bible software.

 

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Posted 25 July 2016 - 08:59 AM

I believe the opinion was that Vine's is unreliable and outdated, as well as being superseded by better products.



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Posted 25 July 2016 - 10:21 PM

Whose opinion was that? I bet Vines outsells and is more widely used than any lexicon currently offered here except for Strongs. 



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Posted 26 July 2016 - 09:12 AM

I can't recall why we don't have Vine's; but it probably has to do with the availability of a reliable e-text. We do have Renn, and more recently Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary, which was intended to be an updated Vine's. Mounce is also interlinked in our standard Mounce Greek Dictionary (included with most Key Number/Strong's texts), which makes for easy navigation for studying.

 

Thanks for the feedback.


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Posted 26 July 2016 - 06:35 PM

Whose opinion was that? I bet Vines outsells and is more widely used than any lexicon currently offered here except for Strongs. 

 

It was Tim Jenney, who said,

 

"There are a number of tools from the previous generation of scholars that were fine for their day, but have long since been surpassed. These include Vine's word studies, AT Robinson's Word Pictures of the New Testament, the one-volume Zondervan Bible Dictionary, the original Halley's Bible Handbook, many of Alfred Edersheim's books, etc. Generally, these were written by a single person who could not have personally mastered everything in their books, but if s/he used material by other scholars did not bother to cite it, or even give footnotes with his/her sources! Most of these are in the public domain today and are therefore very cheap to buy. That means people continue buying them, even though they are very outdated.
 

 

Few non-specialists appreciate how much more we know about the Bible today than 100 years ago�or even 20 years ago!!! Discoveries at Nag Hammadi, Ebla, Qumran, and other places have increased our knowledge tenfold. The best lexicons and word studies books, like NIDNTT and NIDOTT, BDB, CDCH, BAG, etc. have sources and footnotes. The best of the best are written by multiple scholars, each the best in his or her specific fields. These books are more expensive, but provide much more reliable, up-to-date information."
 
 
 
Tim says that Vine's and other works have been surpassed, are outdated, and are not reliable or up-to-date.
 
And he explains why these cheap, out-of-copyright or public domain works are still sold today.
 
A better question to ask would would be, what is the best lexicon used by today's leading scholars, pastors and teachers?
Or, perhaps, what is the best tool you need to fulfil your personal calling or ministry?
 

 

HTH


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Posted 25 November 2019 - 02:56 PM

+1 on this. I'm looking at the version on AMZN published by Thomas Nelson in '96; it's keyed to Strong's numbers and co-authored/edited by Unger and White, Jr., however I'd personally much rather have it on Accordance than buy it for WordSearch or Kindle. There's another (older) thread here with the same feature request, FYI.


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Posted 28 November 2019 - 05:51 AM

I could not agree more, but I want to also add here the importance of these individual from the past who accomplished so much.  While I agree that a group of scholars is awesome, I can also appreciate a single individual who can also be an expert...John Gill, Charles Spurgeon, and Henry Bullinger.  I would welcome any of their single works accomplished by a single individual.  Thanks Accordance for making some of these Works available.  



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Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:20 PM

They should be added to a “Classics Group” module 👍😁👌




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