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Posted 28 March 2017 - 04:04 PM

I saw that from start, but I regard the headings such low quality that there should be a warning lable inside the software when wanting to show them. Or not to produce them:

And that's why I said optional was the key word. 

 


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Posted 28 March 2017 - 07:10 PM

I saw that from start, but I regard the headings such low quality that there should be a warning lable inside the software when wanting to show them. Or not to produce them:

 

If you want to go there, I am sure some could argue that the chapter divisions are of such low quality that they should not be included either :D


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Posted 28 March 2017 - 07:11 PM

I was actually going to mention that the other day as it turns out :) But Acc already supports turning them off.

 

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 03:17 PM

Hey y'all, 

 

I made a new thread asking for optional book names. Attached is a mockup I did. Please voice your opinion on my other thread :-) 

 

https://www.accordan...r-ios/?p=102366

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 08:11 PM

From the NASB Committee (on 4/17/17): 

 

We are still hard at work on the current NASB update and continue to make good progress. However, with all the details to review and complexity of the translation process, our work has progressed slower than expected. We now hope to finish most of the editorial around the 4th quarter of 2017 and then begin final proofreading thereafter. The way it looks now, our new goal is to have a first release by the middle of 2018.


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 09:38 PM

Gavin – Thanks for the update.  I'd rather wait a bit longer and have a more careful revision.  Looks like we'll be waiting for another year or a bit more.  It will be longer yet for the premium Bibles (Schuyler, Allan, Cambridge).  I want to get the Schuyler.


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 09:49 PM

I want to get the Schuyler.

 

Me, too.


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 09:53 PM

Rick – Are you finding the Milo 11pt font of your NKJV easy on the eyes?


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 09:54 PM

Yes--no complaints. 


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 10:17 PM

From the NASB Committee (on 4/17/17): 

 

We now hope to finish most of the editorial around the 4th quarter of 2017 and then begin final proofreading thereafter. 

 

Makes me think back to when I was a fourteen- or fifteen-year-old (1969 or 1970) when we lived in La Habra, California, home of the Lockman Foundation which was preparing to release the first complete New American Standard Bible. My Mom did contract proofreading work at home for Lockman, bringing home galleys of sections of books like Exodus and Isaiah. I used to help her. Back then the only options most of us had for non-paraphrased translations were the KJV and the RSV.


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 11:18 PM

All in all the RSV was a pretty decent option, the NASB was preferable to the RSV in many ways, but both very literal. The major defect of the RSV in my mind was the placing in footnotes the gospel additions in Mark/John that fact alone was enough to make one want to avoid it, but one in 1972 it was placed back in the text very similar to its NASB treatment. I was delighted when the thees thous were finally removed in 1995, I would bet 2018s revision will offer many fine tweaks. Athough I expect no earth shattering changes.

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 11:24 PM

I want the Clarion!!

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 12:16 PM

Hey Julia, 

 

Have you heard anything new about the NASB update? Excited! 



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 12:28 PM

I'm really looking forward to it as well.  But we're going to have to contain our enthusiasm.  Looks like mid-2018 at the earliest.  I emailed Pike Lambeth last month.  He's the Executive VP of Lockman.  They're making good progress, he says.  Checking all the details is time consuming.  If I hear anything new, I'll post.


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Posted 13 June 2017 - 08:20 PM

Thanks Julia! 



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Posted 12 December 2018 - 06:12 PM

Found this today.  I'll really appreciate some feedback.  What do y'all think?  Jas 5:16 is still poorly translated (the NRSV does a better job as ἰσχύω is intransitive).  I prefer accuracy over style though style is not unimportant.

 

 


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Posted 13 December 2018 - 09:47 AM

Found this today.  I'll really appreciate some feedback.  What do y'all think?  Jas 5:16 is still poorly translated (the NRSV does a better job as ἰσχύω is intransitive).  I prefer accuracy over style though style is not unimportant.

 

Honestly, I'm a little (just a little, not a lot) disappointed in what I've read so far about some of the translation choices. I would love to be wrong. I'm a long-time NASB reader. I grew up reading the NAS77 and "converted" to the 95u in college. I'm waiting to see what happens when it's published and we get a chance to read through the whole thing. Who knows, maybe it will be our next pew Bible at church. . . waiting to see. I personally don't like the "brothers and sisters" nonsense—does anybody really think that excludes women? Same applies for "O human." I can't think of anyone choosing to speak like that. . . Anyway. We'll see. 


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Posted 13 December 2018 - 10:14 AM

From Julie's link:

 

"A Clearer Isaiah 53:4

 

On October 3rd, the Lockman Foundation posted their updated Isaiah 53:4–6 passage. Verses 5–6 have not been changed, but verse 4 has. It’s a minor change, but it’s clearer and aligns with most other translations. Compare:

Surely our griefs He Himself bore, and our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. NASB 1995

However, it was our sicknesses that He Himself bore, and our pains that He carried; Yet we ourselves assumed that He had been afflicted, struck down by God, and humiliated. NASB 2020

 

I like the language here. It makes clear that it was “assumed” that He was cursed by God, but He was bearing our curse."

 

I can't help but remember that in my late teens I helped my Mom proofread portions of the yet-to-be-released NASB Old Testament. (We lived in La Habra, CA, home of the Lockman Foundation.) I vaguely remember behind handed the galleys of Isaiah. My role was only to cross-check her work, but even at that age I'm sure I was stoked to be proofing Isaiah 53.


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Posted 13 December 2018 - 05:56 PM

Marshall – I felt the same way.  Maybe it's because I'm older, but I just don't have a problem seeing both men and women in "brethren".  I also object to the clumsiness that results when one tries to tip-toe around the hyper-sensitive.  I really don't like He has told you, a human, what is good;  Micah 6:8.  The verse went from beautiful to ugly.  I had no problem including myself in O man, either.  I think I'm going to ask for a nice NAS95 for Christmas.  It has a wart or two, but I can live with those more easily than what I'm seeing in the NASB20.  Frankly, I'm disappointed.

 

EDIT:  For those who want gender neutrality, there are already some good options out there.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 01:45 AM

hope i'm not hijacking the thread.  i've been looking into translation philosophy since we had an issue come up regarding the niv 2011 recently.  there's a cbmw article that points out many things about the niv 2011 they don't like.  it can be found here: http://www.bible-res...w.niv2011.2.pdf.  just to note: not trying to debate theology (e.g. women in ministry etc).  it was definitely interesting to read and i can understand the reasoning and concerns they raise.  

 

I also came upon this article by bill mounce, which I thought was super helpful.  some background.  mounce, the greek guru, served as the chair of the NT translation for the ESV.  doug moo invited him as a "friendly critic" on the CBT for the NIV 2011.  the article talks about things he learned while serving on the committee.  particularly eye opening was understanding what "literal" means and how we don't translate words but meaning, even the most "literal" translations do that.  it can be found here: https://www.thenivbi...le-translation/

 

for the record, i prefer a functional equivalence translation (i'm guessing most of us here do b/c we will do the study).  dynamic equivalence translations aren't targeted to us though.  anyways, just wanted to share b/c translation philosophy is pretty fascinating, but such a complex issue.  wish I could find that "perfect" translation haha.  hope this is helpful.


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