Jimmie McCutchen Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 "The version of the NJB I use is published by Doubleday and is the 1990 version with complete notes and introductions to the different sections / genres of the text. Any help in making the notes available will be greatly appreciated. " Blessings, Robert Stull 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 They are good notes. I have the New Jerusalem Bible in print, too. I wonder if Doubleday has ever created an etext for the notes? I kind of assume there wasn't one in 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfraser Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Ive been using the standard edition of the JB since 1970 and it was my first study bible and had it rebound when it fell apart and only stopped using it daily when i got accordance on my ipad. I still have a very very soft spot for it and would get the study notes for the njb if it was available (especially if the njb text was tagged) but not sure how much it would add to the existing range of study bibles available in accordance. As its a sort of translation based on the La Bible de Jerusalem, im curious why the original French translation isnt available in the international texts (unless im missing something). ;o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Francis Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 The full note edition of 1985 would be most valuable. -Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 The full note edition of 1985 would be most valuable. Yes, that's the actual print version I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Hello I have a question about versification of the NJB. In the Accordance module the verses are not in order. This can be wrong or it can be willed. I know the Zürcher Bibel 1949 has also a verse order which is shifted, because they said this is the story runtime. There would be some disorder in the OL from ages. Can you check please? “1Kings 4,7 Solomon had twelve administrators for all Israel who saw to the provisioning of the king and his household; each had to provide for one month in the year. 8 These are their names: Son of Hur, in the mountain country of Ephraim. 9 Son of Deker, in Makaz, Shaalbim, Beth-Shemesh, Aijalon, Beth-Hanan. 10 Son of Hesed, in Arubboth; his district was Socoh and the whole territory of Hepher. 11 Son of Abinadab, all the Slopes of Dor. Tabaath Solomon’s daughter was his wife. 12 Baana son of Ahilud, in Taanach and Megiddo as far as the other side of Jokmeam, and all Beth-Shean below Jezreel, from Beth-Shean as far as Abel-Meholah by Zarethan. 13 Son of Geber, in Ramoth-Gilead: his district was the Encampments of Jair son of Manasseh, which are in Gilead; he had the region of Argob, which is in Bashan: sixty fortified towns, walled and with bolts of bronze. 14 Ahinadab son of Iddo, in Mahanaim. 15 Ahimaaz in Naphtali; he too married a daughter of Solomon, Basemath. 16 Baana son of Hushai, in Asher and in the highlands. 17 Jehoshaphat son of Paruah, in Issachar. 18 Shimei son of Ela, in Benjamin. 19 Geber son of Uri, in the territory of Gad, the territory of Sihon king of the Amorites and of Og king of Bashan. In addition, there was one administrator in the country. 1Kings 5,7 These administrators provided the food for Solomon and for all those who were admitted by him to the royal table, each for the period of a month; they ensured that nothing was wanting. 8 They also provided the barley and straw for the horses and draught animals, where required, each according to the quota demanded of him. 2 The daily provisions for Solomon were: thirty measures of fine flour and sixty measures of meal, 3 ten fattened oxen, twenty free-grazing oxen, one hundred sheep, besides deer and gazelles, roebucks and fattened poultry. 4 For he was master of all Transeuphrates—of all the kings of Transeuphrates from Tiphsah to Gaza—and he enjoyed peace on all his frontiers. 5 Judah and Israel lived in security, everyone under his vine and his fig tree, from Dan to Beersheba, throughout the lifetime of Solomon. 1Kings 4,20 Judah and Israel were numerous, as numerous as the sand on the sea-shore; they ate and drank and were happy. 1Kings 5,1 Solomon was overlord of all the kingdoms from the River to the territory of the Philistines and the Egyptian border. They brought tribute and served him all his life long. 6 And Solomon had four thousand stalls of horses for his chariots and twelve thousand cavalrymen. 1Kings 5,9 ”1 Kings 4,7–5,9, NJB v2.5Comments: Are this verse order correct? If yes then I can’t this Bible take as versification of a User Bible. Greetings Fabian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfraser Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) This is how it appears in my print edition. There is a note in my 1966 print edition: The translation follows the order of the Greek which gives the list of administratiors in logical order. The Hebr. Order has been upset by glosses; v. 4 dates at the earliest, from the Exil; the remainder, up to the end of the paragraph is late. (Havent got a copy of the lxx to check) At one stage the JB was available had a volume arranged in chronological order https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bible-Order-Chronological-According-1975-01-01/dp/B019NR95B0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1470907064&sr=8-2&keywords=jerusalem+bible+in+order ;o) Edited August 11, 2016 by ukfraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Many thanks for the clarification. I have this check with a NJB in german and there was the order "normal". O.K. then this Bible falls out as reference for my User Bible. Thats not nice, the rest was like the german verse mapping with additional Bible books. So I need a better verse mapping tool than what now Accordance delivers. Greetings Fabian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfraser Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) depends on the criteria you have set for 'user bible'. As a translation, it still has a place, and if it is true to the lxx, then that also makes sense. The problems translators face!!!! ;o) Personally, i like my default in accordance to be a tagged version. Edited August 11, 2016 by ukfraser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfraser Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 As an aside, Both word biblical commentary and niv 2011 notes discuss the problems with verse numbering of chapter 5. Its something i had noticed in the print copy years ago but hadnt dug any deeper then, so thanks fabian ;o) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael J. Bolesta Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 The full note edition of 1985 would be most valuable. -Dan I too would love to have the NJB notes, and also the introductions & appendices in Accordance. I suspect Accordance was never given the etext (NJB is a fairly old module). I would ask the acquisition folks to ask Doubleday for them. It would seem that some Accordance users have an interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Francis Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Well considering it is still published it wouldn't surprise me at all if a Etext had became available. I know Logos is trying to generate interest to do it so that leads me to think there might be one now. I am very willing to pay an upgrade price to go from Readers edition (i know we do not have the minimal notes of the readers edition but might as well say that is what we have) to Regular Edition. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfraser Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) In the uk, it is published by dlt and i have not seen the standard version published as an etext http://www.darton-longman-todd.co.uk/ebooks Only the reader. As an aside, milton jones 10 second sermons and more 10 second sermons published by dlt are well worth getting and brilliant value (either in paperback or on kindle, download a sample and you wont be able to keep a straight face! Not suggesting for accordance but...) ;o) Sample below: The Church Visitors to a church often find themselves thinking ‘What am I doing here?’ Sometimes so do the members. The early church had everything in common, but now somehow parts of the church have almost nothing in common with anyone. Sometimes people think of church as being like a giant helicopter. They don’t want to get too close in case they get sucked into the rotas. Others think of it as a Winnie the Pooh pyjama suit. Safe and warm, but they hope to goodness no one sees them in it. Edited August 12, 2016 by ukfraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Francis Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 (edited) Many of you may well have the readers edition of NJB in your Libraries but to give you an idea for those of you not familiar with it. Imagine the NIV Study Bible was published first and the the translation was excised out of it with the bare minimal notes. This is the full text: 1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; 2 but in our time, the final days, a he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, b whom he appointed heir of all things c and through whom he made the ages. d 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, e sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. a. In the fullness of time, Mk 1:15; Ga 4:4c, the last times or the last days begin, Ac 2:17; 1 P 1:20. b. After the prophets, God sends an envoy who is no longer a mere messenger like the others; he is ‘Son’, cf. Mk 12:2-6; Rm 1:4c, he is even the Word, Jn 1:1a, 14m. c. To be a son implies having the right to inherit, cf. Mt 21:38, Ga 4:7. Here, however, God is credited with the handing over of the whole creation because the inheritance in question is messianic and eschatological. d. Hebraism for the whole of creation. e. These two metaphors are borrowed from the sophia and logos theologies of Alexandria, Ws 7:25-26; they express both the identity of nature between Father and Son, and the distinction of persons. The Son is the brightness, the light shining from its source, which is the bright glory, see Ex 24:16f, of the Father (‘Light from Light’). He is also the replica, see Col 1:15d, of the Father’s substance, like an exact impression made by a seal on clay or wax, cf. Jn 14:9. This is what the readers version provides for notes: 1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; but 2 in our time, the final days, he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the ages. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, * sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. * cf. Ws 7:25–26. The New Jerusalem Bible (New York: Doubleday, 1985/1990), Heb 1:1–4. -Dan PS: I am well aware that we in Accordance do not contain any notes but just want to give the differences for a good example. Edited August 16, 2016 by Dan Francis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfraser Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 This thread made me go to the publishers site. Has anyone got these print copies? I am a huge fan of shiela cassidy ( author of good friday people) http://www.darton-longman-todd.co.uk/titles/1589-9780232528336-isaiah http://www.darton-longman-todd.co.uk/titles/1617-9780232528756-jonah http://www.darton-longman-todd.co.uk/subjects/bibles?page=4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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