Niek Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I am looking for Qal verbs in yiqtol and wayyiqtol that are spelled plene (with waw like יכתוב), but excluding ע''ו verbs. I have trouble getting the right results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Does this help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niek Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 With a minor adjustment (?ו* instead of *ו*) I received the right results, but the reason I didn't get the right results before is that I didn't add the final part of the inflection (ו*-). What is its function? Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 It removes the plural forms. It may not be needed with your change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niek Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 It actually does need the addition, but I don't understand why without this addition it finds plural forms. Shouldn't ?ו* exclude plural forms because of the requirement of one following letter after the waw? Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 No, because without quotes you are defining the lexical form, the quotes define inflected forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niek Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 I did this search for, for example, Ezekiel, but somehow it does not find the forms אשפוך (Ezek.7:8), אמלוך (Ezek.20:33), תמוד (Ezek.45:3), or יעבור (Ezek.48:14). How is this possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I did exactly my search and it found all three of your examples, 22 hits total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niek Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 With your search I found 23 forms including forms like יוכל which I didn't want. Therefore, I searched with the minor change I indicated earlier (inflexion: ?ו* instead of *ו*) and I get only 16 excluding also the forms like אמלוך. I tried to add my screen picture but did not succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niek Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 I realized the mistake I made, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niek Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 I am now trying to find the defective forms of Qal (way)yiqtol forms. I exchanged the waw with a holam, but then Accordance crashes. Then I tried to search an inflected form with quotations marks "?()?*" with a holam in the parentheses, but again Accordance crashes. Obviously I am missing something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 In the inflected term you need an = so that it looks for the vowel point, and the holem is not a character so it has to be placed on a ?. I think it needs to be =*?holem*. I will check on the crash later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niek Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 Yes, thank you that worked. I also tried to find yiqtol forms in qamatz qatan but did not succeed. Does Accordance differentiate between qamatz qatan and qamatz gadol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 No, because to my understanding they use the same symbols. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Knoll Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) No, because to my understanding they use the same symbols. Actually there is no such distinction in Tiberian Hebrew. It belongs to a different tradition (Sepharadi) hence there is no sign distinction as well. Edited September 28, 2016 by David Knoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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