Bible Study using BDAG

[Justncase]

                       Whats the odds of someone doing some Bible study using BDAG in Accordance 12. Id like to see how they have theres setup and using it with different resources.

              Logos has alot of BDAG vids but its not Accordance. HALOT would be nice as well. Id like to see more vids and podcast on using the software .

[Dr. Nathan Parker]

I own both BDAG and HALOT in Accordance. I also own them in Logos but way prefer the Accordance version. What do you want to know/see? I'd be glad to assist.

[Justncase]

I'm more of a watch and learn than being told where you can pause go back and BDAG is very a very complicated software . Here's a

Perfect opportunity to show how great the accordance Bible software is with BDAG ,do several videos on different ways to use it how it can be applied to Bible study seeing how to cross reference with other software's and also see the personal settings of other peoples setup. There's a lot that accordance can do with BDAG & HALOT. Don't just sell stuff , I see lots of videos on the new things in accordance 12 but nothing on how the software interacts with the software .

[JohnABarnett]

For those like me who are still struggling to figure out:

 

1. How to arrange the best, most usable workspace for various kinds of projects

2. How best to use the incredible tool that is Accordance,

 

I think YouTube videos by accomplished users showing them IN ACTION using Accordance for a project would be as helpful, if not more helpful, than instructional How To videos. These need not be directly sponsored by Accordance, but could be produced and hosted by users or user groups.

 

I have found over recent years that the best way for me to learn the capabilities and use of a complex software is by watching people demonstrate it's capabilities and using it. Still helpful, but less effective for me are didactic How To videos that generally address features and functions.

 

I would love to watch someone use Accordance to exegete a paragraph using the Greek New Testament, or the Hebrew Old Testament, not because I do not know how to do exegesis, but because I do not yet know how best to set things up to do so, nor do I know the best workflow for whatever setup I might use.

 

I'll use woodworking as an example (I am no woodworker, and I'm sure what I say will demonstrate that!). An instructional video about woodworking tools (planes, awls, saws, mitre boxes, etc.) could tell me everything I need to know about the features about each tool, and even give me examples of how to use them. But it would not necessarily help me figure out how to design, prepare, produce, and finish a woodworking project. Without an actual project demonstration, I would not know how to use the tools in relation to each other and to the raw material, nor would I know how to successfully complete a project. I would not be introduced to some of the possibilities that such tools provided in real-life use.

 

Now, I realize that everybody sets up and works differently, that everybody has different goals. But sometimes it helps to have as a starting point what someone ELSE is doing. It makes it easier to adapt and change from some sort of base. It makes one feel that one is not floating out in space with no idea which way is up and which way is down, if I may use such a metaphor.

 

I realize as well that there ARE videos out there showing various features. And there MAY BE videos like what I'm describing, but I have yet to discover them. And if they do exists, it would be helpful for them to be more easily accessible or more recognizable. A Google search on "Accordance Bible" returns a hay stack in which one is seeking the proverbial needle.

 

I realize that my suggestion presumes on someone else's time and effort. I do not know what to say about that, other than it would take some one or ones willing to do it simply because they had the skills, perhaps some time, and wanted to do it. With a lot of other complex software*, such people exist and are much appreciated by the community they help.

 

The original poster is hoping for project-type videos using BDAG and HALOT. These are just two examples of many that would be useful.

 

 

 

Notes:

 

* As an example, I dabble in music composition and virtual instrument production. This involves complex sequencer software like Cubase, and complex virtual instrument libraries like East West, Kontakt or Vienna Symphonic Library. I would never have progressed at all without the kind of videos on their use such as I am hoping to find on the use of Accordance.

Edited June 12, 2017 by JohnABarnett

[Helen Brown]

We do have well over 100 podcasts that illustrate Bible Studies, workspaces, and specific modules. I think you will find them helpful. Dr. J. is an excellet teacher.

[ukfraser]

I would also subscribe to the free live webinars and look at the recorded ones. Another great source where you can see how others use this excellent software.

 

https://www.accordancebible.com/Webinars

[Λύχνις Δαν]

Just a quick note on this - perhaps more later if I get a chance to do anything useful.

 

I use Greek lexica in much the same way I use an English dictionary.

I own a 95 or so OED in micro-print, a Webster's third in print and a Macquarie Dictionary in print - not sure of the date. That allows me to compare usage and definitions between England, the US and Australia and get a feel for the word in those contexts.

 

Now likewise in studying the Greek text I do not use just one. I cannot claim however to use a Greek lexicon from the Levant, and one from Athens and one from Rome nice though that might be. But I use BDAG alongside, LSJ and Louw and Nida. At least those are my current three in usage commonly. This allows me to get a slightly different flavour of how the words are used. You have to be careful with analysis of this type though as you can suffer a sort of data-drowning leading to more confusion that clarity. But who said dead languages were easy. In LSJ I find that the definitions/glosses (not the same thing) can give you an indication of classical (older) use. In BDAG you will then often find that one meaning has become dominant in NT literature even if it wasn't earlier. Louw and Nida is interesting because of the method of the development of the dictionary. Rather than being a compendium of sources citing a bunch of glosses, they attempted to produce a dictionary of definitions categorized by domain. Reading Louw's Semantics (I think that's the title) is very interesting in this regard.

 

Finally if I'm reading LXX I will now also refer to Muraoka's wonderful lexicon of the LXX. Not in Accordance I'm afraid though.

 

Thx

D

[JohnABarnett]

Yes. I am aware of those resources, and perhaps it is my problem that the resources among those that I have seen have been helpful as what I have called "How To" instruction. I'll try my best to explain what I mean. The ones I've seen focus mainly on demonstrating some specific feature, activity, or resource, or what is in a new Accordance version. I'm talking about a project-type video, soup to nuts exegeting, for example, a paragraph, using a variety of tools.

 

Maybe I've just failed to stumble across ones that fit this bill. That's entirely possible. If anyone has a suggested video that exists and is an example of a project use of Accordance, I'd really appreciate being steered towards it. Perhaps if I can see one, it will help me recognize others.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

This is NOT meant as a criticism. The Lord knows Accordance has provided a TON of videos. I really appreciate that fact. It may even be part of the problem for this particular user. I've watched a number of them, and profited from them.

[ukfraser]

Currently on offer are various webinars including greek new testament textual criticism, studying synoptic gospel parallels, exegesis for the lay person, preparing topical sermons, which i think you will find are more project type rather than specifically how to.

 

It really is worth investing an hour to find out.

 

;o)

[Fabian]

Currently on offer are various webinars including greek new testament textual criticism, studying synoptic gospel parallels, exegesis for the lay person, preparing topical sermons, which i think you will find are more project type rather than specifically how to.

 

It really is worth investing an hour to find out.

 

;o)

And on the end you get a 15% off coupon code.

 

Greetings

 

Fabian

[ukfraser]

I wasnt going to tell them. Thought would be a pleasant surprise.

 

;o)

[Justncase]

I've watched numerous videos and listen to lots of podcast and Ive seen nothing with using BDAG or HALOT I'm not interested in reading the Bible on the surface I'm interested in what you can't see. Thanks for your replys

[Fabian]

I wasnt going to tell them. Thought would be a pleasant surprise.

 

;o)

Sorry for spoiling your surprise.

 

Greetings

 

Fabian

[JohnABarnett]

Thanks for the suggestions, friends, and Justncase, sorry if I hijacked your thread.

[ukfraser]

Just enjoy the extra discount if you dont make use of the current 25% one which expires tonight.

 

;o)

[Dr. Nathan Parker]

BTW, Disclaimer: I'm not an Accordance employee, just a very happy Accordance user who used BDAG and HALOT extensively in seminary in Accordance.

 

I agree with Helen that Dr. J is a fantastic teacher, and I too love his podcasts. The webinars are also fantastic.

 

I've been having some issues with my screen recorder, but if I can get it functional as it should, I'd be happy to shoot a short screencast showing how I use BDAG/HALOT. I don't do anything overly fancy with them, but I can show you how I was taught in seminary to use them.

[JohnABarnett]

Just enjoy the extra discount if you dont make use of the current 25% one which expires tonight.

 

;o)

 

Already made use of that last week to get the Greek New Testament diagramming module.

[Dr. Nathan Parker]

A few other tidbits to throw in here (I can still attempt to whip up a screencast of Accordance and BDAG/HALOT if one wishes me to):

 

1. While BDAG/HALOT are the standard lexicons in their fields (and the first I always turn to), I also highly recommend a dictionary with a little more discussion in addition to consulting the two lexicons. I own both NIDOTTE/NIDNTTE in Accordance, as well as TDOT/TDNT in Logos (I don't own these two in Accordance yet). NIDOTTE/NIDNTTE is a little more conservative, and TDOT/TDNT is a little more liberal, although I've seen variances of that when consulting these. BDAG/HALOT is going to be more of typical lexicons, just more in-depth. Supplementing them with a dictionary that offers more discussion on Hebrew/Greek terms are going to give you more of the why lexicons recommend what they recommend. I usually start with BDAG/HALOT, NIDOTTE/NIDNTTE, TDOT/TDNT, then if I'm hungry for more, see what else in my library I want to consult.

 

2. I recently taught a class on Essential Bible Doctrines at focusingonthemarkministries.com (all the videos are on my section of the blog). I don't dig into BDAG/HALOT in the actual videos (I consulted them before I went on air for the videos), but I do get into a couple of word studies in the series, plus a brief textual criticism segment in the series. While not exactly what you're looking for (and I can shoot another screencast specifically to what you're looking for), the series might help you see how I do some word studies in Accordance. I used Accordance mostly in the series (I used Logos and WORDsearch a little), but I found when teaching video courses, Accordance makes for a better on-air tool than Logos (I'd rather use Logos behind the scenes for research on books I don't have in Accordance and Accordance on-air when teaching). I even utilized the Atlas and PhotoGuide in the series. I thought when teaching a course in BIble Doctrines I wouldn't have a chance to enjoy using the Atlas and PhotoGuide since I was teaching doctrines, but I found a way to incorporate them into my teaching, and both were fantastic!