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#21 jarcher

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Posted Yesterday, 01:06 PM

If I had to pick my top 5 from the NIGTC set it would be: 1. Beale on Revelation, 2. Ellingworth on Hebrews, 3. Thiselton on 1 Corinthians, 4. Nolland on Matthew and 5. O'Brien on Philippians (I don't care about the P. dilemma it's still very useful).

 

This list is pretty much why I bought it as well. And these individual volumes more than cover the cost of the entire set. Not to mention the value of those volumes not listed here.


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Posted Yesterday, 01:33 PM

It's caution, by the way, not paranoia!

 

As I am fond of saying, "A little paranoia saves you a world of hurt."

 

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Posted Yesterday, 01:48 PM

As I am fond of saying, "A little paranoia saves you a world of hurt."

 

;)

 

 

I prefer to call it "caution".  Paranoia sounds a bit pathological.  :blink:   :) But on the whole, I agree – that's why I have back-ups for my back-ups.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:36 PM

Julia,

 

Have used nearly al of the volumes, except Romans while I was either studying or preaching, they are all good.  Beale ie excellent, as are others in the set.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:50 PM

Thank you, Phil.  I managed to find a hardbound copy of NIGTC Philippians in "very good condition" on Amazon from a reputable seller.  I'd rather have it in Accordance, but that is no longer possible.  I've been impressed with O'Brien's other works, and choose to give the man the benefit of the doubt – that the missing citations were an oversight and not deliberate plagiarism.


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Posted Yesterday, 04:17 PM

The quality of his other works it amazes me the unattributed citations were not corrected rather than removing them. Cause like you I feel it was an oversight and not intentional. I know I had one teacher in Junior high who insisted on attributing a favourite edison quote to Albert Einstein (who may have used the quote as well), but even when confronted with an Encyclopaedia article showing that at least Edison said it first he refused to stop attributing it to Einstein (I use him as an example of one not willing to acknowledge error). O' Brien acknowledged his mistake and apologized for it. I have mentioned ideas (not academic circles of course) and in the back of my mind thinking is this my thought or another's. Thankfully no one in a casual discussion is going to say that is X's words but when something is rattling around your head we can forget it's source or as we formulate our thoughts can unintentionally draw on what we have read or even simply heard. I am not saying the works did not need repairing just it was a shame to throw out good works that just needed some repair.

 

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Posted Yesterday, 05:37 PM

Well said Dan! It should've been edited and updated for corrections instead of throwing away hours of work to the trash. Oh well! It is what it is.
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Posted Yesterday, 07:28 PM

Not to start a firestorm, but since I've seen this on the Forums before, I have to disagree. Just like a doctor (physician) first does no harm, a doctor (Ph.D.) first does not plagiarize - copy another's work and present it is their own. I don't know the specifics in this case. But plagiarism by an academic is inexcusable.

 

Should/does Acc forgive anyone who breaks copyright laws, i.e., copies things they didn't buy? It is sort of like plagiarism, copying another's work, but not like plagiarism, because the copier isn't presenting it as his/her own work. In fact, I think breaking copyright law is the lesser offence of the two.

 

I have been plagiarized, and my book has been copied - it is (or at least was last time I checked) free on Scribd, even though I didn't give my permission. But of the two, plagiarism hurts more - especially emotionally. It feels like a complete violation, like a physician doing harm.

 

 

Edit: In this fury of emotion, I just realized that "forgive" was not the best word choice. Of course I forgave the person who plagiarized me, and it has remained a private matter. I mean, should/does Acc let a copyright violation slide, and do nothing about it? And let the person keep that copyrighted work?


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Posted Yesterday, 08:17 PM

Michel, I never meant deliberate plagiarism should in anyway be excused. But I am working n the principle he told the truth that he never did intentionally. We who bought the works no longer for sale were allowed to keep them. I don't know the answer and Indeed maybe the best option was made.

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Posted Yesterday, 08:57 PM

I just wanted to give another perspective, one I’m sure many aren’t familiar with. I was reading something by another author, and then started reading my own words, word for word. It was one of the most sickening feelings I have ever had, a personal and professional violation. Some of the discussions about this topic struck a nerve in me; it still feels like a fresh wound. Plagiarism is an actual crime, with an actual victim, just like with copyright violations.

An example might be someone plagiarized the deed to your farm, put their name on it, and demanded their property. What if they actually took residence while you were away, and they had the farm (possession is 9/10 of the law), and the deed? Should they be allowed to keep it? How would you feel?

 


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Posted Yesterday, 09:14 PM

 

Edit: In this fury of emotion, I just realized that "forgive" was not the best word choice. Of course I forgave the person who plagiarized me, and it has remained a private matter. I mean, should/does Acc let a copyright violation slide, and do nothing about it? And let the person keep that copyrighted work?

 

Michel –

 

If someone had purchased a hard copy of a commentary that is not longer sold by a publisher, he would be able to keep it. In like manner, those of us who purchased an electronic copy can keep ours.  It was the publisher who pulled the questionable volumes, no longer permitting the sale of either hard copy or electronic copy.  What they did was right.  Accordance responded, as they should, honoring the license agreement with the publisher.  That was all as it should be.  

 

We have at least one on the forums who took classes under Dr. O'Brien and thinks the missing citations were an oversight, not a deliberate taking of credit for the work of another.  Dr. O'Brien responded with an apology and taking of responsibility.  He made no excuses.  I think his response showed integrity.  People do make honest mistakes.  In Dr. O'Brien's case, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

The deliberate taking of an entire book and sale of the stolen work is theft and should be prosecuted.  There is no way the one who took your book and put it up for sale could have done what he did accidentally, or as an honest mistake.  Is there no legal protection for you?  Did the one who took your book put his name on it?  It's awful.  I'm truly sorry for what happened to you.


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Posted Yesterday, 09:14 PM

No I never meant to imply it was a victimless crime... or harmless.... The person plagiarized should be compensated too of course... I have known of cattle rustlers and people who steal grain too... I have not been victim of either but known the victims of both.

 

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PS:I have had stuff in the past stolen from a garden always felt in that case that they likely needed it more than me, was definitely not doing well financially then, but they may have needed it more than me.


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Posted Yesterday, 09:41 PM

Hi,

This is just my perspective, not my argument. That would take a whole book.

There have been other cases like this, plagiarism on such a scale that a publisher pulls it out of circulation. I throw such books out. I feel I am in possession of stolen property.

It seems like a waste of time, money, and energy to pursue Scribd from my tiny homestead in rural Canada.

There is violation, and there is forgiveness.

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