Christoph Koehler Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Hi there, I wonder if anyone knows of a resource that, for a particular book of the bible, e.g. John, lists all the manuscripts (including fragments) that contain John, which sections of John, and information about that manuscript, like date, etc. Thanks! Christoph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Deinem Namen nach denke ich du sprichst deutsch. Auf iPhone/iPad gibt es die gratis App "NT Greek MSS" ansonsten bei INTF oder bei CNTTS anfragen. Grüsse Fabian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 The print edition of the UBS Greek Testament has a pull-out reference sheet that I think might be what you are looking for, but off the top of my head I think it lists it by mss name/number and the only mentions if that mss includes gospels, Pauline epistles, general epistles, and Revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Resources in Accordance: CNTTS Apparatus, NA28 Apparatus, UBS5 Apparatus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Koehler Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Hi all, I checked out the app and it's close, but since you cannot sort it, getting a list of thousands of fragments etc for a book is not overly helpful. But it's close! Rick: I have the NA28 apparatus; how would I find what I am looking for without manually going through the variations? I am a novice. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Here is one way: Open NA28 Apparatus to Appendix I: accord://read/NA28_Apparatus#14463 Right-click on the browser level and Select Range Search the Scripture field for John Show Text as Paragraphs All hits in red are John with the MSS to the left. NB: this will not contain any possible MSS published after the printing of the NA28, nor MSS not included in the NA28. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortenjensen Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Rich, thanks for showing, this is interesting. To clarify: Why the last step (Paragraph)? I can see that it reorganizes a bit, but what does it change specifically? It also seems that choosing Articles produces the same result. Another thing: How should I understand the difference between Scripture and Reference - is it like this: Scripture always searches for an entire book (and only books in the Bible?)? Morten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Rich, thanks for showing, this is interesting. To clarify: Why the last step (Paragraph)? I can see that it reorganizes a bit, but what does it change specifically? It also seems that choosing Articles produces the same result. Another thing: How should I understand the difference between Scripture and Reference - is it like this: Scripture always searches for an entire book (and only books in the Bible?)? Morten "View as" just attempts to clean the display up a bit and remove paragraphs where there aren't hits for John. Reference = the primary scripture reference that is being commented on in a Reference Tool (commentary, apparatus, study bible, translation notes, etc.) which is also used for syncing the text to the tool. Scripture = all scripture references outside of the primary reference being commented on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timplanche Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Thanks Rick that was very interesting and elegant However, you don't pick up all the MSS citing John many of manuscripts that are witness John are indicated by the witness "e" reference I think to find all the witnesses to john you need to open another tab with the NA28 apparatus and then search the witness field for "eap <OR> e <OR> ea <OR> eapr" you can then open a third tab and use the <MERGE> command to combine the two searches " [MERGE Nestle-Aland 28 Apparatus] <OR> [MERGE Nestle-Aland 28 Apparatus 2]" (-sorry I can't see how to paste my screenshots) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Bennett Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Yeah, good catch. I did that pretty quickly and forgot about the eapr abbreviations. I’ll check this out again in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Koehler Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 Thanks Rick and Tim, that's actually really cool and exactly what I was looking for. Now if you could support Scripture ranges in the NA28 apparatus like "Luke 22,4-fin" that'd be great! A search for "Luke 23" doesn't show P75, for instance. I just sent an email to Support about it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan C. Borland Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Hi Christoph, You're asking a lot. I've written a program but only inputed mss through about half of the 10th cent. minuscules. For example, for Luke 22:4 we have at least: Reference Input Box: luke 22.4 Total number of mss below: 105 No. of mss: GA # Century: 1 p75 3rd 2 ℵ/01 4th 3 A/02 5th 4 B/03 4th 5 C/04 5th 6 D/05 5th 7 E/07 8th 8 G/011 9th 9 H/013 9th 10 K/017 9th 11 L/019 8th 12 M/021 9th 13 N/022 6th 14 P/024 6th 15 R/027 7th 16 S/028 10th 17 U/030 9th 18 V/031 9th 19 W/032 4th 20 X/033 10th 21 Y/034 9th 22 Γ/036 10th 23 Δ/037 9th 24 Θ/038 9th 25 Λ/039 9th 26 Π/041 9th 27 Ψ/044 9th 28 Ω/045 9th 29 047 8th 30 0211 9th 31 14 10th 32 24 10th 33 27 10th 34 29 10th 35 34 10th 36 36 10th 37 63 10th 38 67 10th 39 100 10th 40 106 10th 41 115 10th 42 123 10th 43 144 10th 44 151 10th 45 161 10th 46 175 10th 47 262 10th 48 274 10th 49 299 10th 50 338 10th 51 344 10th 52 364 10th 53 371 10th 54 399 9th 55 405 10th 56 411 10th 57 461 9th 58 478 10th 59 481 10th 60 564 10th 61 565 9th 62 568 10th 63 584 10th 64 652 10th 65 669 10th 66 771 10th 67 773 10th 68 875 10th 69 892 9th 70 942 10th 71 1055 10th 72 1073 10th 73 1076 10th 74 1077 10th 75 1078 10th 76 1079 10th 77 1080 9th 78 1110 10th 79 1120 10th 80 1143 9th 81 1166 10th 82 1172 10th 83 1203 10th 84 1220 10th 85 1223 10th 86 1225 10th 87 1266 10th 88 1281 10th 89 1295 9th 90 1346 10th 91 1351 10th 92 1357 10th 93 1378 10th 94 1379 10th 95 1392 10th 96 1421 10th 97 1422 10th 98 1424 9th 99 1426 10th 100 1452 10th 101 1458 10th 102 1582 10th 103 2224 9th 104 2500 9th 105 2811 9th 106 107 108 109 110 If you give me a specific verse I can tell you all extant mss (through most of the 10th century) by email. --Jonathan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Koehler Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 I meant a built in accordance feature that internally replaced “fin” in the apparatus with the last chapter and verse number of the referenced book. Doesn’t seem too hard to implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Smith Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Is this what you’re talking about? Dr Swanson has one for most (perhaps every) book of the NT. New Testament Greek Manuscripts: Matthew (New Testament Greek Manuscripts) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0865850518/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_ML2kAb914YST1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Is this what you’re talking about? Dr Swanson has one for most (perhaps every) book of the NT. New Testament Greek Manuscripts: Matthew (New Testament Greek Manuscripts) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0865850518/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_ML2kAb914YST1 They would be great to be searchable in Accordance. Greetings Fabian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Brown Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 We tried to work with Swanson but it just was not set up for conversion to a database. In the meantime the CNTTS Apparatus is almost complete and offers many advantages for searching the individual fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Smith Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We tried to work with Swanson but it just was not set up for conversion to a database. In the meantime the CNTTS Apparatus is almost complete and offers many advantages for searching the individual fields. Indeed it does. And I’d you follow up on their site, you’ll get images of most of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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