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#1 Christoph Koehler

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 09:58 AM

Hi there,

 

I wonder if anyone knows of a resource that, for a particular book of the bible, e.g. John, lists all the manuscripts (including fragments) that contain John, which sections of John, and information about that manuscript, like date, etc.

 

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:14 AM

Deinem Namen nach denke ich du sprichst deutsch.

 

Auf iPhone/iPad gibt es die gratis App "NT Greek MSS" ansonsten bei INTF oder bei CNTTS anfragen.

 

 

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:18 AM

The print edition of the UBS Greek Testament has a pull-out reference sheet that I think might be what you are looking for, but off the top of my head I think it lists it by mss name/number and the only mentions if that mss includes gospels, Pauline epistles, general epistles, and Revelation.



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 12:39 PM

Resources in Accordance: CNTTS Apparatus, NA28 Apparatus, UBS5 Apparatus.


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 11:38 AM

Hi all,

 

I checked out the app and it's close, but since you cannot sort it, getting a list of thousands of fragments etc for a book is not overly helpful. But it's close!

 

Rick: I have the NA28 apparatus; how would I find what I am looking for without manually going through the variations? I am a novice.

 

Thanks!



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Posted 10 October 2017 - 11:50 AM

Here is one way:

 

Open NA28 Apparatus to Appendix I: accord://read/NA28_Apparatus#14463

 

Right-click on the browser level and Select Range

 

Search the Scripture field for John

 

Show Text as Paragraphs

 

All hits in red are John with the MSS to the left.

 

NB: this will not contain any possible MSS published after the printing of the NA28, nor MSS not included in the NA28.

 

 

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:05 AM

Rich, thanks for showing, this is interesting.

To clarify: Why the last step (Paragraph)? I can see that it reorganizes a bit, but what does it change specifically? It also seems that choosing Articles produces the same result.

 

Another thing: How should I understand the difference between Scripture and Reference - is it like this: Scripture always searches for an entire book (and only books in the Bible?)?

 

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:49 AM

Rich, thanks for showing, this is interesting.

To clarify: Why the last step (Paragraph)? I can see that it reorganizes a bit, but what does it change specifically? It also seems that choosing Articles produces the same result.

 

Another thing: How should I understand the difference between Scripture and Reference - is it like this: Scripture always searches for an entire book (and only books in the Bible?)?

 

Morten

 

 

"View as" just attempts to clean the display up a bit and remove paragraphs where there aren't hits for John. 

 

Reference = the primary scripture reference that is being commented on in a Reference Tool (commentary, apparatus, study bible, translation notes, etc.) which is also used for syncing the text to the tool.

 

Scripture = all scripture references outside of the primary reference being commented on.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:40 PM

Thanks Rick

 

that was very interesting and elegant

 

However,  you don't pick up all the MSS citing John

 

many of manuscripts that are witness John are indicated by the witness "e" reference

 

I think to find all the witnesses to john you need to open another tab with the NA28 apparatus and

 

then search the witness field for "eap <OR> e <OR> ea <OR> eapr"

 

​you can then open a third tab and use the <MERGE> command to combine the two searches " [MERGE Nestle-Aland 28 Apparatus] <OR> [MERGE Nestle-Aland 28 Apparatus 2]"

 

(-sorry I can't see how to paste my screenshots)



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 06:39 PM

Yeah, good catch. I did that pretty quickly and forgot about the eapr abbreviations. I’ll check this out again in the morning.

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 10:18 PM

Thanks Rick and Tim, that's actually really cool and exactly what I was looking for. Now if you could support Scripture ranges in the NA28 apparatus like "Luke 22,4-fin" that'd be great! A search for "Luke 23" doesn't show P75, for instance. I just sent an email to Support about it, too.



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Posted 27 November 2017 - 06:17 AM

Hi Christoph,

 

You're asking a lot. I've written a program but only inputed mss through about half of the 10th cent. minuscules. For example, for Luke 22:4 we have at least:

 

 

 

        Reference Input Box:           luke 22.4                         Total number of mss below: 105                                     No. of mss: GA # Century:         1 p75 3rd         2 ℵ/01 4th         3 A/02 5th         4 B/03 4th         5 C/04 5th         6 D/05 5th         7 E/07 8th         8 G/011 9th         9 H/013 9th         10 K/017 9th         11 L/019 8th         12 M/021 9th         13 N/022 6th         14 P/024 6th         15 R/027 7th         16 S/028 10th         17 U/030 9th         18 V/031 9th         19 W/032 4th         20 X/033 10th         21 Y/034 9th         22 Γ/036 10th         23 Δ/037 9th         24 Θ/038 9th         25 Λ/039 9th         26 Π/041 9th         27 Ψ/044 9th         28 Ω/045 9th         29 047 8th         30 0211 9th         31 14 10th         32 24 10th         33 27 10th         34 29 10th         35 34 10th         36 36 10th         37 63 10th         38 67 10th         39 100 10th         40 106 10th         41 115 10th         42 123 10th         43 144 10th         44 151 10th         45 161 10th         46 175 10th         47 262 10th         48 274 10th         49 299 10th         50 338 10th         51 344 10th         52 364 10th         53 371 10th         54 399 9th         55 405 10th         56 411 10th         57 461 9th         58 478 10th         59 481 10th         60 564 10th         61 565 9th         62 568 10th         63 584 10th         64 652 10th         65 669 10th         66 771 10th         67 773 10th         68 875 10th         69 892 9th         70 942 10th         71 1055 10th         72 1073 10th         73 1076 10th         74 1077 10th         75 1078 10th         76 1079 10th         77 1080 9th         78 1110 10th         79 1120 10th         80 1143 9th         81 1166 10th         82 1172 10th         83 1203 10th         84 1220 10th         85 1223 10th         86 1225 10th         87 1266 10th         88 1281 10th         89 1295 9th         90 1346 10th         91 1351 10th         92 1357 10th         93 1378 10th         94 1379 10th         95 1392 10th         96 1421 10th         97 1422 10th         98 1424 9th         99 1426 10th         100 1452 10th         101 1458 10th         102 1582 10th         103 2224 9th         104 2500 9th         105 2811 9th         106             107             108             109             110            

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 06:34 PM

I meant a built in accordance feature that internally replaced “fin” in the apparatus with the last chapter and verse number of the referenced book. Doesn’t seem too hard to implement.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:42 PM

Is this what you’re talking about? Dr Swanson has one for most (perhaps every) book of the NT.
New Testament Greek Manuscripts: Matthew (New Testament Greek Manuscripts) https://www.amazon.c...i_ML2kAb914YST1
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Posted Yesterday, 03:56 AM

Is this what you’re talking about? Dr Swanson has one for most (perhaps every) book of the NT.
New Testament Greek Manuscripts: Matthew (New Testament Greek Manuscripts) https://www.amazon.c...i_ML2kAb914YST1

They would be great to be searchable in Accordance.

 

Greetings

 

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Greetings

 

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Posted Yesterday, 03:01 PM

We tried to work with Swanson but it just was not set up for conversion to a database. In the meantime the CNTTS Apparatus is almost complete and offers many advantages for searching the individual fields.


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Posted Yesterday, 10:43 PM

We tried to work with Swanson but it just was not set up for conversion to a database. In the meantime the CNTTS Apparatus is almost complete and offers many advantages for searching the individual fields.


Indeed it does. And I’d you follow up on their site, you’ll get images of most of them.

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