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#1 Christoph Koehler

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 09:58 AM

Hi there,

 

I wonder if anyone knows of a resource that, for a particular book of the bible, e.g. John, lists all the manuscripts (including fragments) that contain John, which sections of John, and information about that manuscript, like date, etc.

 

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:14 AM

Deinem Namen nach denke ich du sprichst deutsch.

 

Auf iPhone/iPad gibt es die gratis App "NT Greek MSS" ansonsten bei INTF oder bei CNTTS anfragen.

 

 

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:18 AM

The print edition of the UBS Greek Testament has a pull-out reference sheet that I think might be what you are looking for, but off the top of my head I think it lists it by mss name/number and the only mentions if that mss includes gospels, Pauline epistles, general epistles, and Revelation.



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 12:39 PM

Resources in Accordance: CNTTS Apparatus, NA28 Apparatus, UBS5 Apparatus.


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 11:38 AM

Hi all,

 

I checked out the app and it's close, but since you cannot sort it, getting a list of thousands of fragments etc for a book is not overly helpful. But it's close!

 

Rick: I have the NA28 apparatus; how would I find what I am looking for without manually going through the variations? I am a novice.

 

Thanks!



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Posted 10 October 2017 - 11:50 AM

Here is one way:

 

Open NA28 Apparatus to Appendix I: accord://read/NA28_Apparatus#14463

 

Right-click on the browser level and Select Range

 

Search the Scripture field for John

 

Show Text as Paragraphs

 

All hits in red are John with the MSS to the left.

 

NB: this will not contain any possible MSS published after the printing of the NA28, nor MSS not included in the NA28.

 

 

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:05 AM

Rich, thanks for showing, this is interesting.

To clarify: Why the last step (Paragraph)? I can see that it reorganizes a bit, but what does it change specifically? It also seems that choosing Articles produces the same result.

 

Another thing: How should I understand the difference between Scripture and Reference - is it like this: Scripture always searches for an entire book (and only books in the Bible?)?

 

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:49 AM

Rich, thanks for showing, this is interesting.

To clarify: Why the last step (Paragraph)? I can see that it reorganizes a bit, but what does it change specifically? It also seems that choosing Articles produces the same result.

 

Another thing: How should I understand the difference between Scripture and Reference - is it like this: Scripture always searches for an entire book (and only books in the Bible?)?

 

Morten

 

 

"View as" just attempts to clean the display up a bit and remove paragraphs where there aren't hits for John. 

 

Reference = the primary scripture reference that is being commented on in a Reference Tool (commentary, apparatus, study bible, translation notes, etc.) which is also used for syncing the text to the tool.

 

Scripture = all scripture references outside of the primary reference being commented on.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:40 PM

Thanks Rick

 

that was very interesting and elegant

 

However,  you don't pick up all the MSS citing John

 

many of manuscripts that are witness John are indicated by the witness "e" reference

 

I think to find all the witnesses to john you need to open another tab with the NA28 apparatus and

 

then search the witness field for "eap <OR> e <OR> ea <OR> eapr"

 

​you can then open a third tab and use the <MERGE> command to combine the two searches " [MERGE Nestle-Aland 28 Apparatus] <OR> [MERGE Nestle-Aland 28 Apparatus 2]"

 

(-sorry I can't see how to paste my screenshots)



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 06:39 PM

Yeah, good catch. I did that pretty quickly and forgot about the eapr abbreviations. I’ll check this out again in the morning.

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