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#1 Ιακοβ

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:18 PM

When I search Biblical Hebraica for דויד, using the "Words" in the dropdown box, it says it can't find any results. But then it suggests search using "letters", and then after saying ok, it finds multiple instances of the word.

 

Is this a bug? Why would it find the word I am looking for when I switch to letters?  (Actually I do ultimately want to search for דויד and for דוד but I don't quite understand the differences here.)

 

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:28 PM

Additionally, when I try a more complex search, i.e. 

 

 (בית (דוד , דויד

 

I get a popup box saying דויד doesn't exist, and therefore I cannot run this search, even though I know it does exist!  Perhaps the search "automagically handles the case where David is spelt with or without the yod, so then I try this:

 

  (בית,סכת) (דוד)

 

But then it fails to find Amos 9:11 where it says "Booth of David" (אֶת־סֻכַּ֥ת דָּוִ֖יד). How does one go about learning how to get the Hebrew search do what you want? 


Edited by Ιακοβ, 02 November 2017 - 09:32 PM.

My top 5 feature requests:
  1. 15pt font size for reading text (bible, journal articles, commentaries, etc...)
  2. Improved searching for Journal articles. (So we can search for journal article by verse + english text)
  3. Display Journal titles in journal search results. (Imagine a google search where you saw the page text but no headings?)
  4. Improved greek text search—i.e. allow searching of all greek text the same way you would search LXX+NT, i.e. LXX+NT+ApocFathers+etc...
  5. Phrase (sympathetic) highlighting.

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:54 PM

I answered your other question, but in this case you may want to enclose the word in quotes to specify the inflected form. Please go to our Support page: Start Here and explore the many ways we offer to learn about searching Hebrew.


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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:55 PM

The help on Literal (Letters) Hebrew Searches explains this but the basic point is that the default Word search is expecting a lemma and then it finds all the words derived from that. דויד is not a lemma so it makes the suggests searching by letters. You can also enter the full vocalised form in quotes and search for that as a Word search. Interestingly the Literal search seems to be able to ignore vowels or at least in this case partial vowels, probably just ignores the vowel and uses the consonant from the hireq yod. I am not exactly clear why - but then I tried searching for דוֶיד and that quite happily found the Davids everywhere. So my guess is that it's basically a consonant search.

 

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:11 AM

However, the big advantage of the lexical search is that it also finds the davids that don't have a yod. There are only 789 of those!

 

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:20 AM

Helen, Gotta love Hebrew spelling. I haven't checked this, so you may already offer it, but does Accordance have the ability to search for both plene and defective spelling in the one search for the same word ? I mean of course, without just listing the alternatives ?

 

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"Du stammst vom Herrn Adam und der Herrin Eva ab", sagte Aslan. "Und das ist zugleich Ehre genug, um das Häupt des ärmsten Bettlers zu erheben, und genug, um die Schultern des größten Kaisers auf Erden zu beugen. Sei zufrieden." Aslan, Die Chroniken von Narnia, Prinz Kaspian von Narnia. CS Lewis. Übersetzt von Wolfgang Holbein und Christian Rendel.

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:43 AM

Of course, just use the lexical form, no quotes!


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

But that will also find other words related to that lexical form won't it ? It won't just find the one word and it's variant spellings or am I mistaken ?

 

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"Du stammst vom Herrn Adam und der Herrin Eva ab", sagte Aslan. "Und das ist zugleich Ehre genug, um das Häupt des ärmsten Bettlers zu erheben, und genug, um die Schultern des größten Kaisers auf Erden zu beugen. Sei zufrieden." Aslan, Die Chroniken von Narnia, Prinz Kaspian von Narnia. CS Lewis. Übersetzt von Wolfgang Holbein und Christian Rendel.

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 02:25 PM

If you want all related words use a + sign to find all word with that root.

 

If the lexical form has homographs indicated by a number, and you include the number, you will find only that homograph. If you don't include the number you will find all the homographs.

 

Vowel points are ignored unless you add a equal sign which also excludes homographs.

 

Here is an analysis of the root דור (of course in the search the + is on the right)

 

Total number of verses = 163
  (total number of verses displayed = 163)

+דור (216 total words)

Number of different forms = 37:
(Triple-click a form to see its occurrences)

        ‏(דור)    דּוּר‎    circle, ball = 1
                    ‏דּוּר = 1
        ‏(דור)    דּוֹר‎    Dor = 3
                    ‏דֹּאר‎ = 1
                    ‏דּוֹר‎ = 1
                    ‏דֹּר‎ = 1
        ‏(דור)    דור־0‎    to dwell = 13
                    ‏דָאֲרֵי‎ = 1
                    ‏דָּאֲרֵי‎ = 1
                    ‏דָאֲרִין‎ = 3
                    ‏דָיְרֵי‎ = 1
                    ‏דָּיְרֵי‎ = 1
                    ‏דָיְרִין‎ = 3
                    ‏יְדוּרָן‎ = 1
                    ‏יְדֻרוּן‎ = 1
                    ‏תְּדוּר‎ = 1
        ‏(דור)    דור־1‎    to pile = 1
                    ‏דּוּר = 1
        ‏(דור)    דור־2‎    to dwell = 1
                    ‏דּוּר = 1
        ‏(דור)    דּוֹר־1‎    dwelling = 1
                    ‏דּוֹר = 1
        ‏(דור)    דּוֹר־2‎    generation = 167
                    ‏דוֹר‎ = 34
                    ‏דּוֹר‎ = 43
                    ‏דּוֹרִים‎ = 3
                    ‏דֹר‎ = 34
                    ‏דֹּר‎ = 5
                    ‏דֹּרוֹת‎ = 4
                    ‏דֹּרוֹתֵי‎ = 1
                    ‏דֹרֹת‎ = 12
                    ‏דֹרֹתָי‎ = 2
                    ‏דֹרֹתֵי‎ = 28
                    ‏דֹּרֹתֵי‎ = 1
        ‏(דור)    דָּר־0‎    generation = 4
                    ‏דָר‎ = 2
                    ‏דָּר‎ = 2
        ‏(דור)    דָּרוֹם‎    south = 17
                    ‏דָרוֹם‎ = 1
                    ‏דָּרוֹם‎ = 16
        ‏(דור)    מְדוֹר־0‎    dwelling = 4
                    ‏מְדוֹר‎ = 1
                    ‏מְדֹר‎ = 2
                    ‏מְדָר‎ = 1
        ‏(דור)    מְדוּרָה‎    pile = 2
                    ‏מְּדוּרָה‎ = 1
                    ‏מְדֻרָת‎ = 1
        ‏(דור)    תְּדִיר־0‎    constantly = 2
                    תְדִיר = 2

If you search simply for דור you find (not showing the inflected forms here):

      דּוּר   (דור)   circle, ball = 1
        ‏(דור)    דּוֹר    Dor = 3
        ‏(דור)    דור־0    to dwell = 13
        ‏(דור)    דור־1    to pile = 1
        ‏(דור)    דור־2    to dwell = 1
        ‏(דור)    דּוֹר־1    dwelling = 1
        דּוֹר־2    (דור)    generation = 167

If you search  for דור־1 you find:

        ‏(דור)    דור־1    to pile = 1
        ‏(דור)    דּוֹר־1    dwelling = 1
 

If you search  for דּוֹר־1= you find:
        ‏(דור)    דּוֹר־1    dwelling = 1

 


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 07:43 PM

Thanx Helen, that all makes sense but I was really wondering if there was a way to do this search, and any like it, without permuting the plene/defective cases (this is run as a word search) :

 

("דוִיד","דוִד")

 

Now this search does get all the hits for David but also others.

 

Total number of verses = 949
  (total number of verses displayed = 949)

("דוִיד","דוִד") (1120 total words)

Number of different forms = 9:
(Triple-click a form to see its occurrences)

        ‏(דוד)    דּוּד‎    jar, basket = 5
                    ‏דוּד‎ = 1
                    ‏דּוּד‎ = 4
        ‏(דוד)    דּוֹד‎    beloved, uncle = 40
                    ‏דוֹד‎ = 15
                    ‏דּוֹד‎ = 25
        ‏(דוד)    דָּוִד‎    David = 1075
                    ‏דָוִד‎ = 319
                    ‏דָּוִד‎ = 470
                    ‏דָויִד‎ = 1
                    ‏דָוִיד‎ = 70
                    ‏דָּוִיד = 215


I'm suspecting though that this is about as good as I can do, and that trying to be more precise will only lead to misses, if one doesn't get all the forms.

 

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"Du stammst vom Herrn Adam und der Herrin Eva ab", sagte Aslan. "Und das ist zugleich Ehre genug, um das Häupt des ärmsten Bettlers zu erheben, und genug, um die Schultern des größten Kaisers auf Erden zu beugen. Sei zufrieden." Aslan, Die Chroniken von Narnia, Prinz Kaspian von Narnia. CS Lewis. Übersetzt von Wolfgang Holbein und Christian Rendel.

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