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#1 keithp

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 08:03 PM

Which is better to learn Hebrew. There are video lectures for both as well so it wouldn’t be strictly reading a grammar

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:18 PM

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:40 PM

Can't comment on Futato as I've never used it so technically I cannot answer the question as put. However I'm about 5 chapters into P v-P and it's very good. In particular I like the detailed explanations of the vowels, daghesh, shewa and spelling rules.  If they go on as they started it should be very good.

 

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Sola lingua bona est lingua mortua

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lišanu ēdēnitu damqitu lišanu mītu

 

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:36 PM

Thanks for the feedback Daniel! 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 05:57 AM

Futato is very basic. He doesn't really teach about vowel changes, for example. If you want something that will just get you reading the basics (prose, certainly not poetry) then it's fine; indeed it's probably the easiest of all for those studying without a teacher. But it cries out for a follow-up volume, and there isn't one. It also uses some non-standard grammatical terms, which makes it less easy to switch grammars afterwards.

VP is very evangelical, with homilies at regular intervals, but you could ignore these if they are not to your taste. It is very much more thorough than Futato.
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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:33 AM

Hi Keith,

I posted my opinion on why I think BBH is the best grammar for self study, and is very good in general, at https://www.accordan...es/?hl=workbook. I agree with Nick about the "homilies."

I would also like Acc to offer the Workbook and Answer Key, requested at https://www.accordan...es/?hl=workbook .

I recommend you use Long's Grammatical Concepts 101 for Biblical Hebrew as a supplemental textbook; see https://www.accordan...ces/#entry89962 .

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:23 PM

Thanks for all the feedback. Long’s At the same time as going through BBH?

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:47 PM

That depends on you - how much you know about English grammar in the first place, to go from what you know in English to what you don't know in Hebrew yet. It's definitely more detailed than BBH's scattered remarks on English grammar. It's not absolutely necessary, but just about every student can benefit from it somewhere along the line. Also obviously good for review.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 08:16 PM

I have the accompanying English grammar for BBH. 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 08:24 PM

I'm not familiar with it, so I can't comment on the differences. Maybe someone else can.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:01 PM

https://www.amazon.c...l hebrew guide  This is what I was referring to. 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:09 PM

I mean I've never read it.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:15 PM

Oh sorry lol 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:21 PM

Put it this way. I don't know if English Grammar to Ace Biblical Hebrew does what Grammatical Concepts 101 does, or as well. Dr. Holmstedt said it well: "Dr. Long does not err by explaining Hebrew in light of English; rather, he skillfully compares the two languages, all the while maintaining and explaining their distinct properties. His work provides a truly helpful conceptual bridge between the two different grammatical systems." https://www.logos.co...biblical-hebrew


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:42 PM

Ok thanks for the tips and advice. I will consider the Long book 


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:42 PM

To throw another into the mix, we used Ross https://www.accordan...id=Ross Hebrew 

 

at least until our lecturer wrote his own textbook...

 

Ross is still my go to for checking paradigms and rules.

In the last part he works through sections of Genesis.

 

Haven't used the others though sorry.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:43 PM

Thanks Douglas for the feedback! 


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