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#21 markusvonkaenel

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 02:33 PM

I would not expect (wonders happen, especially in Israel) German commentaries in Accordance. You can find a lot of such discussions in the forum, look also for user Florian.

 

That's the only negative side of Accordance.



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Posted 12 April 2018 - 05:02 PM


Hi c. stirling bartholomew,

 

 

Most people are not dialed into the stream of Phd dissertations or similar scholarly publication (I'm not certainly, though I'm still looking for papers that were going to be published in a proceedings or some such thing and never were, so back to the authors) and I'm not sure how many can keep up with the stream of them and all the required ancilliary reading required to understand the debates and current trends. So while these books can be out of date with respect to the latest arguments and researches, they're probably more accessible both physically and in their writing and prerequisites. But for those who can and desire to keep up with the latest material, you need to be connected to what's being published currently, what I imagine to be rather further upstream of these commentaries and similar works. How do you have access to such very recent dissertations and similar material ? I barely know what's being published and usually find references to papers in books, meaning I am finding them much later, though of course some books refer to unpublished forthcoming material.

 

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Thank you for replying. I have no special access to anything. I don't attend SBL, ETS or anything else. I have a fairly narrow focus, text linguistics as applied to Ancient Greek and Hebrew texts. I've discovered how to narrow my search results by combining esoteric strings of keywords. I've downloaded hundreds of pdfs. This afternoon I'm headed to my local library to pick up an InterLibLoan copy Syntax of Septuigint, T Muraoka. I have borrowing privliges at the Seattle Pacific University Library but I rarely go there. All the commentaries I've used over fourty years have made me somewhat cynical about the biblical studies establishment. The idea of sitting through someone reading a paper at SBL, ETS or whatever doesn't appeal to me at all. If it's worth reading it'll get published. People who really want to get their ideas out don't put them behind pay walls. For example, one of the best monographs I've read in decades is Richard A. Hoyle, Scenarios, discourse and translation.  SIL 2008


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:33 PM

And here I was hoping you had some tips for me to get on an inside track :) Oh well. I actually cannot keep up anyway with my list anyway. I'm trying to get enough linguistics under my belt to be able to read various papers. Some authors are trying to publish accessible books on scholarly directions that help a bunch but it's still work - nothing worth anything isn't though. I read Campbell's Advances in the Study of Greek and the Lexham collection of similarly oriented material. But as I said, still tracking references.

 

I'd be interested in your reaction to Muraoka's grammar. I have a copy and his lexicon. I have yet to do much with them but they are helpful when needed.

 

Thanx for the link to Hoyle. That's a beefy PDF. I'll have to make time for it some time. It sounds really interesting.

 

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 09:27 AM

Future proof? That peeked my interest, because I hoped to hear some rumors on version 13?

As I remember I felt like Accordance 12 came shortly after 11, and that came perhaps soon after 10. Or I am getting old, or the developers are working on the windows and mobile applications (which is a great thing).

So I am merely raising this issue in hopes that one of the accordance team indulges my curiosity on this.

 

Regardless, keep up the good work



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Posted 13 April 2018 - 10:49 AM

I have no idea when 13 will be out but generally the new version comes out ever 2 years. I am just hoping iOS 3.0 comes out soon with many new features from he desktop... I am eagerly awaiting the info pane or info pane lite in iOS....

 

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 11:41 PM

Actually we'll have a sale on NIC later this month, so you can buy now and get a credit, or wait just a little longer.

 

 

NICOT/NICNT was 59% off (i.e. $599) in September 2017 and in October 2016.

 

It was available for $599.95 in February 2016.

 

You could have had it for $779 or 42% off in July 2014 and again in December 2014.

 

If that does not predict a future sale, maybe you should try Urim and Thummim.

 

Didn't know it was the three times ago too, gosh I hope it continues...I think I could convince my wife if they were $600... :)


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 10:27 AM

In the UK you can check on the health of any company with (I believe it is) Companies House and see the annual financial summaries. If there is an equivalent in the USA then I guess you can look up Oak Tree and determine for yourself if you think the company is healthy, growing, or going down the toilet. Personally, I've never worried about the future of the company or the Accordance program. I tend to think, what are my needs right now, rather than what they might be 20 years from now.

 

However, there has been talk in the forum in relation to what for some people amounts to a heavy investment in Accordance, to the degree that some might consider leaving their Accordance library to a loved one in their will. I have spent several thousand dollars on Accordance, over more than 20 years, and I have no wish for my loved ones to wipe my hard drive when I'm promoted to glory to receive my reward for good and faithful service.

 

Recently (within the last 2-3 years?) Oak Tree stated a policy for the transfer of rights of ownership for modules in aid to recognise the fact that from time to time users wish to sell and buy modules (usage rights) between each other. Perhaps they should also start a policy to establish what to do when a user designates Accordance in his or her will to go to an individual or a church or a college.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:00 PM

I spent ages looking at a film scanner. It was a choice between Nikon and Minolta. I decided on Minolta and spent $3000. Minolta is no more and while Sony has maintained their cameras film scanners are not supported. I am maintaining an nt box so I can continue to convert my 6*6 films as later os is not supported.

I bought contax 35mm camera and Zeiss lenses. Alas no longer in existence as kyocera failed to develop their digital cameras and pulled the plug on these excellent products.

Sibelius was acquired by avid who are leaders in recording but the Finn brothers were unable to buy it back when it failed to be developed.

When I first used IT, there were dat tapes, Iomega Zip drives, 5 1/2” floppy drives and 3 1/4” discs. How many of the old back up systems that organisations used still have equipment that will enable them to use let alone restore from the old systems?

I have invested far more in modules for Accordance than I ever thought I would when I first converted to them. However, I have got some wonderful resources which I would not have been aware of without this product or forum or as a result of their excellent sales (wbs and nivac being high on my list).

However, Being able to use Accordance has been a blessing and I will do all I can to nurse my equipment so I can continue to use this excellent (if not perfect) product.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:16 PM

 ... and some German commentaries [...] that aren't available on Accordance (HTA, Historisch Theologische Auslegung for example).

+1000 for German commentaries

+100 for the HTA, but it is not enough complete yet. I definitely would like it. For example on Rom 6,14 has the Anchor only a half page with information everyone knows. The HTA has 9 pages with interesting material. As I saw this I deleted Anchor from my wishlist.

 

Greetings

 

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 11:46 AM

The Mac OS changed from 32-bit to 64-bit in 2003. Apple just announced that macOS is dropping support 32-bit software going forward. Most big software companies had already updated their software to 64-bit. Accordance only recently updated to 64-bit with the 12.1 release. That does show that this is a relevant question. Software development is a moving target.


Edited by hoffman, 19 April 2018 - 11:54 AM.


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Posted 19 April 2018 - 11:51 AM

Accordance version 12 is 64-bit. Make sure you've updated to the latest version (12.2.4).



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Posted 19 April 2018 - 11:56 AM

Mark just beat me to it...

 

Apple's way of checking an app...

 

From the Apple menu, choose About This Mac, then click the System Report button. From the system report, scroll down to Software, then select Applications. When you select an individual application, you will see a field titled ”64-bit (Intel)”. “Yes" indicates 64-bit; “No" indicates 32-bit.

Accordance:

 

  Version: 12.2.4

  Obtained from: Identified Developer

  Last Modified: 23/02/2018, 01:29

  Kind: Intel

  64-Bit (Intel): Yes

  Signed by: Developer ID Application: OakTree Software, Inc. (RVS387QN32), Developer ID Certification Authority, Apple Root CA

  Location: /Applications/Accordance.app

:-) Sorted.


Edited by Paul Meiklejohn, 19 April 2018 - 11:58 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 12:06 PM

Keep in mind that, for 99% of apps, being 64-bit has absolutely no advantages.  If you are some massive app like Photoshop or Final Cut Pro, you will see some gains, but chances are good that most users never use apps that actually need the additional address space.  Thus, rather than jumping to 64-bit immediately, we waited for a time that was both more opportune and in-line with other development efforts.  This is certainly not a sign of inflexibility, but rather wisdom and focused efforts.  We'd much rather keep the app in a polished, evolving, ever improving state, than jump at every technology change and divert our efforts.

 

I think the fact that Accordance has been continuously developed for over 25 years, able to run extremely well across many platforms (MacOS 7->9, OS X 10.0->10.13, iOS 3->11, Windows XP->10, now Android) over that time, is a far more telling assessment than our 64-bit adoption time.


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Posted 19 April 2018 - 01:02 PM

My point was that the writing was on the wall as far back as 2010 regarding the move to 64-bit, and yet it took years to get up to speed. The developers of Accordance have done a *stellar* job over the many years the program has existed, better than most in fact, but no one knows what new surprises the future holds. What comes after iOS? Thinking first about investing thousands of dollars in software is warranted. Or maybe it's just my budget ;-)


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 02:27 AM

Hello,
 
I'm a Swiss Theology student at a seminary and I've owned Accordance for 4 years now. I use it mainly for language study, but recently I find myself thinking about investing more money into some commentary bundles (e.g. NICOT / NICNT bundles when they're on sale the next time).
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Nicot and nicnt on sale now.

Check out current specials and grab a bargain today that works with all of today’s technology and you can enjoy and use tomorrow and the next (few) decades.

https://www.accordan....com/store/sale
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 02:29 AM

Nicot and nicnt on sale now.

Check out current specials and grab a bargain today that works with all of today’s technology and you can enjoy and use tomorrow and the next (few) decades.

https://www.accordan....com/store/sale

 

 

Thanks, I already bought it 20 minutes ago! 


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 02:52 AM

Thanks, I already bought it 20 minutes ago!

Very wise decision. Enjoy. And once again, welcome to the forum and thanks for your stimulating discussion starter!

;o)

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