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#21 markusvonkaenel

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 01:24 PM

Julia,  don't give up.

It's not only the NT it's at the end the whole  bible. Every hour your are investing in Hebrew is a fortune in better understanding the whole picture, from Genesis to Revelation.

 

 

Enjoy to learn the holy language.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 02:38 PM

Mike – How would you like to move to beautiful Northeast Tennessee to teach Hebrew?  Your approach would be much appreciated!  There were other students in my Hebrew class – young, bright ones, who were very good students – who also opted out of 2nd year Hebrew.  I ran into one earlier this year who said that she hadn't enjoyed Hebrew, either, but loves Greek.  I think that, had they stretched the 3 semesters to 4 it would have been a lot more manageable.  I would have been willing to attend in the summer had they stretched it from August to August for a full 2 years and taken it at a pace that didn't leave us all winded.

 

I do have the Reader's version of the UBS5th.  I need to start using it daily.  My husband and I already do the Daily Dose of Greek with Dr. Plummer (SBTS).  More reading would help me to grow further.  I really think that there remains a place for print Bibles!  

 

I've considered working through The First Hebrew Primer to brush up on my Hebrew and then to go back and review Pratico & VanPelt.  If I can get to the point where I can parse Hebrew as readily as I can Greek, or at least somewhere in the vicinity, I'll purchase a Hebrew Reader's version.  At this point, I've been out of class for a year and am badly "backslidden", language-wise, that is.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 02:45 PM

May I suggest something: look at "Ulpan Or" Jerusalem. It's a very good language school. they offer also lessons via internet. And the teachers are Israelis. Then the language is not only in the book but living. 



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Posted 16 June 2018 - 02:54 PM


I've considered working through The First Hebrew Primer to brush up on my Hebrew and then to go back and review Pratico & VanPelt.

 

I actually persisted with The First Hebrew Primer for a while before switching to PvP. I found a lot of issues with it. I was ultimately frustrated with it's lack of clarity regarding spelling and insufficient preparation for written exercises. As a refresher it might be ok but I also found a bunch a errors in it which was not great in an basic teaching work. I'm enjoying PvP much more I must say. I am taking it pretty slowly but it's progressing.

 

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 03:39 PM

Thanks for the tip, Markus.  

 

Daniel – Very useful, Daniel.  Thanks.  I'll approach the Primer with caution!

 

At some point, I've got to decide how far I want to pursue the Hebrew.  I'm 66.  I don't learn or retain as well as I did as a kid.  Not even as well as I did 10 years ago.  I'm playing "catch-up" with theology, too.  We were saved as adults.  All in all, I'm pretty well-grounded, but we spent quite a few years 'wandering in the wilderness', in churches where the preaching just didn't go very deep.  My learning mostly happened by just reading the Scriptures, using various helps, listening to good preaching from sound teachers via radio, then podcasts.  We're finally in a really solid church – such a huge blessing.  As a result, we're being stretched spiritually and intellectually.  We have a place to learn and to serve.  It's been really, really good.


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 12:48 PM

Julie, I trust that I might offer something useful to the discussion of Hebrew. I tried following the Hebrew text for Hebrews, but it simply did not develop well. I would like to offer a suggestion, if I may. I was going through the pain of my wife going through dementia, and the problems of  a broken hip from which she never recovered . At that time I began to work on the Psalms. There is nothing more helpful than taking a Psalm and translating it as best as one can do using the resources Accordance provide. I managed, through God''s grace, to do all the Psalms in about three years. Some would argue that the poetry of the Psalms is simply too hard. But when one is not striving for perfection it is a divergent matter. Of course I read the Psalms in English, but followed up my reading in Hebrew. I divided each Psalm into "strophes"—poetic paragraphs (I used ESV for a guide, but often I went my own way when I felt their paragraphs were poorly analyzed). I gave a thematic title for each strophe and then gave each Psalm a title.

 

The Psalms are divided into five books, so I divided my studies into five books. I used a book by O. Palmer Robertson entitled the "Flow of the Psalms" (an excellent study). My point in all of this is to translate as best as you can. Hebrew is best understood by actually translating it. You have the tools to do that. You will learn all the forms as you use them—qal, niphal, piel, and so on. And you will learn how these verb patterns function. It will take patience. Hebrew is confusing because it is a mid-Eastern language. But Hebrew allows more tolerance than Greek. And as you see the text the tolerances will begin to come together. The struggle you are going through everyone goes through. Julie, I have spent many years with Hebrew and have not regretted it at all. I wonder if you don't teach Hebrew in the wrong way by learning all the forms—vocabulary we need, but we grow in that as well. From all that you have said you are a good student and you are hungry to lear all you can. I began Hebrew in the earl seventies, and at 89 years old I still am learn and living it. The study I have done in the Psalms is 800 pages long, and I do not regret one minute of the time spent with it The Lord bless you and just keep on trusting Him. Harold 


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 03:14 PM

Harold – Thank you for your reply and for the encouragement!  The book by O. Palmer Robertson was used by one of our elders to teach Sunday school (before I left to teach a children's class).  Bite sized pieces of a book I love and spend time in every day really appeals to me.  I read the book through in English 2x/year and have done so for many, many years.  Reviewing what I have already learned of Hebrew could be incorporated into such a study.

 

Sounds like a plan!


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 07:00 AM

I’ll just mention, since I don’t think anyone has said this yet, that the Hebrew translations of the NT are in modern Hebrew, which is not quite the same as biblical. Just to take the example given, already in Matthew 1:1 linked to above, or in John 1:1, etc., (let’s be honest, just off the top of my head I imagine the same is true in Mark 1:1) there is a construction that’s all over rabbinic and modern Hebrew but not common in the Bible. “The book of the genesis of Jesus” etc. uses the Hebrew ״של״ which is sort of like Greek “του” rather than a construct, which is what you’d expect in Biblical Hebrew.

That said, in my opinion learning modern Hebrew is one of the best ways to strengthen your ability to read the Bible in Hebrew, so...
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Posted 07 July 2018 - 10:03 AM

I know that Hebrew challenge well..

Perhaps this method may help you too? What I’ve enjoyed is taking the Greek LXX and translating in parallel to the Hebrew . I have stayed especially in Genesis when I haven’t been able to look at Hebrew in a while. I set all words to 150 and below to be highlighted for the Hebrew side. Single verse slowly ...

This format has helped me keep up with Hebrew and seems far less daunting as the text is familiar and ties in the familiarity of Greek.
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Posted 18 December 2018 - 09:42 AM

We are working on a Hebrew New Testament tagged with Strong's, but there are many additional words, and several issues to deal with. The LXX also has many many additional words and names.

 

The Israel Bible Society has the tagged text on their website, so that might help you in the interim.

 

any updates here?



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Posted 18 December 2018 - 10:53 AM

any updates here?

 

The Hebrew NT with Strong's got sidelined due to some technical issues and other priorities. We will revisit it going into January. 


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Posted 18 December 2018 - 11:28 AM

hope you will sort your priorities according to my priorities. Credit Card is ready.  :)


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:22 AM

It's February :)  Some updates, please


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 01:06 PM

For Julia, or anybody else wanting to learn biblical Hebrew vocabulary, I will share my MS Excel spreadsheet, systematically housing all 8,000 words in the Hebrew Tanakh.  It is sortable by frequency, status (learned (or not)), month learned, and so on, you can customize it for your own needs.

 

The spreadsheet contains rudimentary glosses for each and every one of the 8,000 words in the Bible, and you can begin to learn them this way.  But even better, for the first 1,600 words (based on frequency of use), I also imported an actual verse from the Bible, both in Hebrew and in English, with the word in question underlined (see attached).

 

This is a great way to build vocabulary, *and* see the word in actual use within the Bible.  This is developed with students in mind, and I recommend spending at least 30 minutes a day with this spreadsheet, interspersing it with time in grammars, and just reading the Hebrew Bible.  If interested, send me a personal message (anybody), and I will be glad to share this.

 

Perhaps it should be asked to Julia, what exactly is your goal?  You say, "learning Hebrew," but that isn't specific enough.  Are you just trying to learn to pronounce Hebrew?  Are you trying to parse the language?  Why the emphasis on "NT"?  These are just some questions.

 

I also recommend using Accordance' Hebrew audio files.  I haven't heard anyone mention that yet.  But again, it goes back to what exactly is your goal, or purpose.  In regards to age and other considerations, I say forget about all that, and just go for it.  None of us are promised tomorrow, regardless of age.

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:26 AM

Still waiting for an official answer.


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Posted 10 March 2019 - 04:48 AM

Now that Oxford is in, some updates please.

 

That's equal important.


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 06:12 AM

Frankly, outside of Israel this is not high priority for more than a few users. This is a modern translation for those who speak modern Hebrew. However, last week I did ask our developers to pick up the issue again. It had been sidelined due to the pressure of other tasks.


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 11:21 AM

Helen, I total agree. but sometimes such decisions make a minority happy.  So I hope you will get your blessings from many people living in the holy land for this decision. My blessing you have.


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