Commentary pricing

[A. Smith]

I'm sure most know this but this is the first time I've looked at getting commentaries in accordance. Does the purchase of individual volumes contribute to the the cost if I were to later purchase the whole set?

[Daniel Francis]

The simple answer is that it depends... often times you will get a discount which is why you see upgrade pricing buttons in some places. At other times packaging contracts do not allow for further discounts.  Your discount also is a percentage of the volume cost of the package and not the price you paid... Lets say Commentary ABC is offered for sale at $10 a volume but the set of 15 volumes is priced at $100 you would not get $10 off but it would be $6.67 off since that is the value of each volume within the set. I am not sure which series are upgradable taking into account previously owned volumes and which one's are not. You will have to wait to hear from someone at Accordance to know more.

 

-dan

[A. Smith]

Thank you. Specifically, im looking at WBC. either having purchased a few vols then the set or having purchased, say, the OT and then looking at the NT.

[Daniel Francis]

That is one that has gone both ways.. typically their contracts have been pretty firm (indeed over at FL the lack of ability to apply what they call dynamic pricing on Zondervan products is a perennial complaint) yet I know at least one sale where it became flexible... IT is best to wait to hear from someone at Accordance for this one. but I am not sure there is going to be good news there as like i said I had heard Zondervan's contracts were less flexible than some other publishers.

 

-dan

Edited October 5, 2018 by Helen Brown

[Helen Brown]

The usual answer to the original question is that when you purchase individual volumes of a set or series there is no upgrade part to the entire set, other than to continue purchasing the missing volumes. However, as a courtesy, if you buy the set within 90 days of the individual volumes, we will credit those original purchases towards the new one. If you buy all the volumes we'll give you a copy of the set (If it's available in fewer modules). There is normally an extra 10% coupon when you buy 3 or more volumes of a set (except when volumes are on sale).

 

I hope this helps.

[Daniel Francis]

Thanks for clearing things up Helen.

 

-dan

[A. Smith]

The usual answer to the original question is that when you purchase individual volumes of a set or series there is no upgrade part to the entire set, other than to continue purchasing the missing volumes. However, as a courtesy, if you buy the set within 90 days of the individual volumes, we will credit those original purchases towards the new one. If you buy all the volumes we'll give you a copy of the set (If it's available in fewer modules). There is normally an extra 10% coupon when you buy 3 or more volumes of a set (except when volumes are on sale).

 

I hope this helps.

Thank you!!

[WhiteWings]

The answers are clear and disappointing.

I know Accordance for less than a week. Tried Lite as a demo but soon decided to get Basic because Lite is to crippled to get a feeling of Accordance's full power.

Usually I'm not that quickly deciding software. I would often skip it all together because there is no demo version (Lite is no demo).

What made me pull the trigger so quickly is the licencing structure. You never pay twice for a title.

I've always struggled with buying bundles. They often are too expensive for me. They often contain things I don't use.

 

To the point: High on my wishlist is

"New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology and Exegesis" $249

"Liddell & Scott's Greek-English Lexicon Complete 9th Edition (no supplement)" $129

 

Both are part of the Greek Master Collection. Both are listed at their full price in that collection.

So I understood "never pay twice" as 249+129= $378 discount if I ever bu the Greek Master Collection.

For me that's a huge sales point. Just buy what you need without having to worry about how much cheaper packages are.

 

What I understand now is that the $378 discount can turn out to be only $20 dependig on the pricing as part of the package.

While I understand Accordance's view for me it still means I paid $358 extra for the Greek Master Collection. And with that a big sales point of Accordance is gone for me...

 

It would be more transparant if the prices (discounts) inside the packages are also listed. That way it would be clear to me what the actual discount will be when I buy the full collection lateron.

 

Another thing I would love is getting a progresive discounts on further purchces. A user who bought 100 seperate titles has a higher average discount than a user that bought only 10 items.

[Λύχνις Δαν]

Hi WhiteWings,

 

  The commentary single/few volume/s to full set upgrade is a somewhat different case. In your case the best way to check what the upgrade you mention might cost, is to login to your Accordance account and go to the Store page for the Greek Master Collection and click on the Upgrade Price button. There it will calculate the price you would pay given what you already own. You can also find out what modules would be added to your collection if you made the purchase. If you still have queries after that, call or email sales.

 

Thx

D

[WhiteWings]

Hi Ruby,

 

I understand adding Master Collection to my cart, gives me a price quote.

But that's not what I mean.

Let's assume over the next two years I buy 5 books at full price that are part of the Master Collection. A total of $350 for those 5 books.

Then I buy the Master Collection. When I put it in my cart I will see the final price.

From what I understood the discount won't be $350 but likely much lower.

I will only know how much lower after buying the titles that are part of the collection.

[Solly]

I have always been able to determine the discounted price by choosing the Upgrade Price button on the Product Details page. After clicking the Upgrade Price button, a new line "Click here for a full listing of the modules included in your upgrade." appears above the ADD, WISHLIST, and UPGRADE buttons.  By selecting the red Click here in the new line, you will be able to see what will be added to your resources and verify that you are receiving credit for what you currently own. If a discrepancy appears, a person is sales is always able to make it correct.

 

Shalom,

Joseph

[WhiteWings]

Greek & Hebrew Discoverer Collection, seems to cover most on my wishlist and I'll likely will buy it when it's on discount.

It contains "Concise Dictionary of Classical Hebrew"; likely I'll also buy "Dictionary of Classical Hebrew (complete 8 volumes)".

 

I know there are discounts when a previously bought title is in the newly purchased collection.

Is there also a discount when the newly bought module is an update of what's already owned (as a library)?

[Solly]

Usually a revised edition or 2nd edition of something is a new product. examples: NIV 1984/ NIV 2011, and the IVP New Testament Background Commentary 1st/2nd edition were two separate products and two separate purchases. A fair way to think about this is when a publisher brings out a new product, it will be treated as a new purchase.

 

In the printing world "updates" often happen without notice, unless one pays attention to the year of printing and edition information coded on the copyright page. These kinds of updates/corrections are corrections of print and editing errors. These kinds of errors are done in updates of the products you own in Accordance, so you will have the most recent copy of corrected text. I check for updates automatically every week. This is a reason I like books in electronic form on Accordance.

 

Shalom,

Joseph

[ukfraser]

If you look at the product page, if an upgrade is available

 

you will often see an upgrade button next to wish list and add to basket buttons.

 

Alternatively, below the product image, you will see crossgrade or upgrade prices

 

But if you look at new international dictionary of new testament of theology and exegesis, there is no upgrade from the either the previous version or abridged (though i think there was a special introductory offer when first introduced for those with the earlier titles but the sale prices have been even better).

https://www.accordancebible.com/store/details/?pid=NIDNTTE

 

Personally im just looking forward to having the new versions of the jewish study bible and possibly jewish annotated new testament and am happy to pay whatever accordance can do for us.

Edited December 4, 2018 by ukfraser

[Λύχνις Δαν]

Hi Ruby,

 

I understand adding Master Collection to my cart, gives me a price quote.

But that's not what I mean.

Let's assume over the next two years I buy 5 books at full price that are part of the Master Collection. A total of $350 for those 5 books.

Then I buy the Master Collection. When I put it in my cart I will see the final price.

From what I understood the discount won't be $350 but likely much lower.

I will only know how much lower after buying the titles that are part of the collection.

 

I was wondering who Ruby was. I guess my ranking went up from Mithril to Ruby - didn't notice that. My name's Daniel but I have it spelled in Hebrew.

 

You don't need to add it to your cart to get the price but it is true that you cannot predict the upgrade price based on hypothetical module ownership. That said two years out I wouldn't know what the pricing of anything might be anyway. Prices don't rise much that I've noticed but I doubt anyone would commit to honouring a quote two years out.

 

CDCH and DCH are distinct works priced separately. One isn't treated as an upgrade from the other. Same thing with the abridged and unabridged LSJs.

 

Thx

D

[WhiteWings]

Sorry Daniel...

 

Yeah, they are two distinct products. But for "BDB" => "BDB Complete" something similar was done.

 

Click

 

This upgrade is offered to users who have purchased the Abridged Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon (BDB).  With the purchase of this upgrade, users will be supplied with the Complete Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon (BDB Complete). Add this upgrade product to your shopping cart like any other product.

 

So upgrade paths do exist. I wonder the upgrade is treated as the real complete version when buying a higher collection.

[Λύχνις Δαν]

No worries.

 

Really, the best way to clarify questions like this is to call Oaktree or email sales. They are after all the final arbiters on the pricing and deals we get. I've found on the few occasions I've called to clarify something that they've have been responsive and helpful.

 

Thx

D

[ukfraser]

I second daniel's comment but ive always found that the accordance ethos is that we dont get overcharged and i have had some wonderful deals and got a far better library than i could ever have imagined.