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#1 JohnABarnett

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 09:08 AM

I am going to begin meeting with someone once a week so we can review and where necessary relearn New Testament Greek. Over time I intend to work through some NT passages starting with the first 18 verses of the Gospel of John. I'm not yet sure how much he remembers, but I suspect not much. So I'm setting up and Accordance workspace to support this project.

 

I have a number or resources suitable for this, Mounce's Basics of Biblical Greek, Stevens' Greek Grammar, etc. Also I have plenty of lexicons. But I can't seem to find an easy to use, dedicated Greek vocabulary module that can serve as a basis for him to begin to learn the most commonly found words in the NT. When I studied Greek years ago we had a book that categorized lists of words that occurred most frequently, 100 plus, 50 plus, etc. For each word listed it showed the number of times occurring and the principal parts. This makes it much easier for a new student to focus on the most frequently used vocabulary words.

 

Here's an example of such a book on Amazon, "The Complete Vocabulary Guide to the Greek New Testament," by Trenchard:

 

https://www.amazon.c...customerReviews

 

Am I missing something? Is there a similar resource available in Accordance?

 

Just as helpful as this would be resource that scrolls with the Greek text and includes word frequencies in the particular NT book being studied. That way he could limit his initial memorization to words useful for our specific project.

 

 

 

 


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:15 AM

I've reflected a bit on vocabulary lists, and included some downloadable lists HERE.

In Accordance, one thing you can do is create a highlighting file that designates frequency of use. I'll attach one I share with my students. (You'll have to unzip it and place it in your Accordance Highlights subdirectory). When you enable that highlighting, as you're reading the Greek, you can quickly see how frequently each word occurs. (Click on the image to see.)

 

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:41 AM

Interesting. Thanks for the suggestion and the zipped file, mgvh. If there's no ready-made resource, this would be a real alternative.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:59 AM

John, I think Dr. J may have addressed what you are seeking in Lighting the Lamp #74) Building Vocabulary.

 

http://www.accordanc...gvocabulary.mp4


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:28 PM

John, I think Dr. J may have addressed what you are seeking in Lighting the Lamp #74) Building Vocabulary.

 

http://www.accordanc...gvocabulary.mp4

 

SUPER, Solly! That's exactly what I need, and I can customize it by whatever passage I want. I don't even have to buy a resource. Thanks so much.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:54 PM

John, if you want to create a reader's guide for a passage, Lighting the Lamp #72) Learn a Biblical Language , will show how to do that.

 

Have fun,

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:22 PM

As an additional option, we've added a “frequency” field to the Mounce Greek Dictionary. You can search for the number of occurrences, and then “Show Text As—>Articles”. That will remove everything that isn’t a hit. The new version number is 4.2.

 

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Edited by Mark Allison, 07 December 2018 - 02:23 PM.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:30 PM

Wow, talk about fresh off the press! Excellent work, Mark. 


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:52 PM

As an additional option, we've added a “frequency” field to the Mounce Greek Dictionary. You can search for the number of occurrences, and then “Show Text As—>Articles”. That will remove everything that isn’t a hit. The new version number is 4.2.

 

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Any Hebrew lexicons include that feature by chance?


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:56 PM

Wow. Great tips. Waitresses would die to serve you at dinner.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 03:16 PM

Matt: This feature is available in the KM Hebrew Dictionary, though it is in the 'English Content' field.

 

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Posted 08 December 2018 - 06:33 AM

Matt: This feature is available in the KM Hebrew Dictionary, though it is in the 'English Content' field.

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This field inconsistency has been addressed. They are now indexed as ‘Frequency’.

Watch for an update soon.

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Posted 08 December 2018 - 09:27 AM

This field inconsistency has been addressed. They are now indexed as ‘Frequency’.

Watch for an update soon.

Any plans for say Halot? Or DCH? Dr Clines has some of this material already on his Academia page...


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Posted 09 December 2018 - 09:03 AM

As an additional option, we've added a “frequency” field to the Mounce Greek Dictionary. You can search for the number of occurrences, and then “Show Text As—>Articles”. That will remove everything that isn’t a hit. The new version number is 4.2.

 

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Mark, I finally got around to trying this. How do you enter the Frequency number in such a way as to return all occurrences with that frequency or higher? Unless I'm doing it wrong, it looks like the number you enter in the Frequency search returns a hit only on exact matches. I'm sure there's an entry convention to do this, I just don't know what it is.


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Posted 09 December 2018 - 08:07 PM

I should have said "that number and lower." Sorry, wasn't thinking straight this morning. I want to return a list of words in an original language text that occur less frequently than some number.


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Posted 09 December 2018 - 08:40 PM

Hi John,

 

  You cannot do something like 60- as you can with COUNT in text searches alas. I wondered about this when I saw this update.

  But the field is text. So the best I've so far achieved is this,

 

  You can instead do something like : "?(1-3)?x" to get occurrences between 10 and 39 for example.

  You also cannot get a sort by frequency which would be nice.

 

  Getting the last tenth requires an additional search term I think so you end up with :

 

"?(1-3)?x" <OR> "?(0-9)x"

 

  Also it's over the whole range of the lexicon, the whole NT.

  But adding a SCRIPTURE predicate probably doesn't help because the citation info is not exhaustive.

 

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 08:36 AM

Thanks for the helpful instructions, Daniel.


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