Milico Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 In Mark 4:41, the disciples say, "Who then is this that even the wind and the sea obey him?" We have an instance of a plural noun (wind and sea) with a singular verb (hupakouei). I am a new Accordance user coming over from BW. Can someone tell me how to search for other instances in the NT and LXX of a plural noun + singular verb? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 with shift-command-A you can ad a <AND> command if you want. Greetings Fabian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I wouldn't call this a plural noun but rather a compound subject and it does occur quite a bit, and not always with both noun singular. Searching for that in Acc will differ from searching for a true plural noun and verb. I would use a construct search to find this I think. Simply using the search box will tend to get you a bunch of false positives. I would also switch the scope to sentence, for the same reason. That leads me to something like this : Thx D 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milico Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 That's somewhat helpful. Would you direct me to a video with instructions on how to do that type of search? I don't know how to get to the screen you've shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 On a mac either use the key shortcut cmd-2 to open a Greek construct, or use the File menu -> New Tab -> Construct -> Greek. The search section of the docs is definitely worth going through in detail. Either in the app or at https://www.accordancebible.com/Help-For-Accordance/ Thx D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) In general I recommend to see the videos. #19) Construct Searches #23) Hebrew Construct Searches #21) Greek Construct Searches a newer one Introducing Construct Searches (Lighting the Lamp Video Podcast #142) Grammars & Construct Searches (Lighting the Lamp Podcast #162) Basic Hebrew & Greek Word Searches (Accordance Mobile) And there are more. Especially the Webinars. Some are also on YT Webinar: Basics 1 - Getting Started Greetings Fabian Edited February 6, 2019 by Fabian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Cobb Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I wouldn't call this a plural noun but rather a compound subject and it does occur quite a bit, and not always with both noun singular. Searching for that in Acc will differ from searching for a true plural noun and verb. I would use a construct search to find this I think. Simply using the search box will tend to get you a bunch of false positives. I would also switch the scope to sentence, for the same reason. That leads me to something like this : sc.jpg Thx D Very sweet Daniel. I wouldn't have thought of doing it in that way. DC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milico Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Very sweet Daniel. I wouldn't have thought of doing it in that way. DC I didn't either at first. I was pretty sure I wanted a construct but initially tried the search box. I was concerned because of the usually issues with multiple <FOLLOWED BY> <WITHIN x WORDS> constructions. And that was borne out. But most of my searches go through refinement from initial attempts, very often cross-checked against sample desired search results, and then further refinement. The final WITHIN structures were about the last thing I did having tried something simpler first. Likewise I didn't initially add the LEX element and was picking up δε in some cases. Thx D 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milico Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Very helpful! Thank you, all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Hey Daniel, Did you try this too? Regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) I can see you and I were both reviewing this at the same time. That search should work too. I think I wrote the other search during my period of confusion over where the compound subject had gone to. Actually it might have been to do it without the syntax module. Thx D Edited March 20, 2019 by דָנִיאֶל Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) Actually these are quite different in their results. I've attached a workspace comparing both. This would make a good case study in using alternative ways of doing the search. But I'll need to get the discrepancies under control. Thx D MilicoCompoundSubjWithSingVerb.accord.zip Edited March 20, 2019 by דָנִיאֶל 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I was reading a rather interesting paper regarding translation issues in cases of compounds and singular verbs last night : http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.565.2246&rep=rep1&type=pdf Thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Λύχνις Δαν Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Here is another very interesting study of this phenomenon : https://brill.com/view/journals/jgl/16/1/article-p87_4.xml?lang=en Thx D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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