R. Mansfield Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Take a walk down memory lane! We're celebrating the Accordance 25th Anniversary with 25 significant Accordance events from the last quarter century. Where were you when...? See today's blog post for more info. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Smith Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Was the construct search originally a Gramcord feature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lang Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) No. Accordance pioneered using a graphical interface for constructing a search. I'm not super familiar with how GRAMCORD for DOS worked, but I believe you basically had to learn a kind of programming/database query language to be able to search the GRAMCORD Greek NT. At the time, I remember hearing a professor joke that if you were smart enough to use it you were smart enough not to need it. The Construct window basically grew out of our application of a Mac GUI to the GRAMCORD concepts. Edited February 21, 2019 by David Lang 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Dornfeld Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 No. Accordance pioneered using a graphical interface for constructing a search. I'm not super familiar with how GRAMCORD for DOS worked, but I believe you basically had to learn a kind of programming/database query language to be able to search the GRAMCORD Greek NT. At the time, I remember hearing a professor joke that if you were smart enough to use it you were smart enough not to need it. The Construct window basically grew out of our application of a Mac GUI to the GRAMCORD concepts. LOL, that is funny what that pastor said. I am definitely no genius, but I find the ease of use of Accordance to be quite stellar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I believe you basically had to learn a kind of programming/database query language to be able to search the GRAMCORD Greek NT. Hi David, Not in the early 90s. It was all drop down menus by then, much like in the Construct Search now, for lemma, parsing info, etc., in successive tabs, depending on what you were searching for. I used GRAMCORD until 2013. I think of the Construct Search as a (better, fabulous) GUI that took G's place, which also allows me to use the Syntax databases easily. Regards, Michel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lang Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Michel, are you describing GRAMCORD for DOS or GRAMCORD for Windows? The Windows program came a couple years after Accordance 1.0, and I do remember it using a large dialog with drop-down menus. My memory of the DOS version is extremely fuzzy, so I'm certainly open to correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.D. Riddle Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 When was the construct search added? I remember using Accordance at a seminary's computer lab in about 1997, and I used the dropdown menus to construct my searches. The last time I used GramCord was about 2006, and it seems like it was very similar to my earlier Accordance experience. To me, that interface was intuitive enough that I was able to figure out what I wanted on my own without a manual or helps. A.D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lang Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 The Construct was there in version 1.0, but of course, so was the Enter Tags dialog you're referring to. That's good for 90% of what most of us search for. It's when you need to define agreement and other word relationships that the Construct becomes necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) Michel, are you describing GRAMCORD for DOS or GRAMCORD for Windows? The Windows program came a couple years after Accordance 1.0, and I do remember it using a large dialog with drop-down menus. My memory of the DOS version is extremely fuzzy, so I'm certainly open to correction. Hi again, I don't remember the exact dates. I tried to find a history of GRAMCORD online, no luck so far. But, I did find a 1993 review of it at https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/cbtj/09-1_065.pdf. It says, "Gramcord installation requires a basic knowledge of DOS," and later, under weaknesses, "It is unavailable in a Windows version." This accords with my recollections, that I was using the drop down menus in DOS. I also resisted using Windows 3, and only started using Windows 95 in the late 90s, when I finally saw the value of running a second program. I guess I spent most of my time in Multi-Lingual Scholar, then GRAMCORD, then G, . . . In any case, GRAMCORD would have been the same program, whether you typed cd \ > cd GRAMCORD > gramcord.exe to open it, or later used the W3 or W95 GUI. Regards, Michel Edit: review of it Edited February 21, 2019 by Michel Gilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lang Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Here's an obscure bit of early Accordance trivia I was reminded of in looking at Rick's blog post. The CD case artwork under items 3 and 5 in the list were designed by Loyd Boldman, a graphic artist who had formerly been one of the lead singers of an 80's Christian rock band called Prodigal. Loyd was an insanely talented guy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Dornfeld Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Here's an obscure bit of early Accordance trivia I was reminded of in looking at Rick's blog post. The CD case artwork under items 3 and 5 in the list were designed by Loyd Boldman, a graphic artist who had formerly been one of the lead singers of an 80's Christian rock band called Prodigal. Loyd was an insanely talented guy. Don't want to get too far off topic, but that guy reminds me a lot of Ryan Clark from Demon Hunter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattChristianOT Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Don't want to get too far off topic, but that guy reminds me a lot of Ryan Clark from Demon Hunter. Good ol Demon Hunter- Haven't heard of them in a LOOONG time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Dornfeld Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Good ol Demon Hunter- Haven't heard of them in a LOOONG time They have a double album coming out on March 1. That's probably as far off topic as we should get I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Hi again, I don't remember the exact dates. I tried to find a history of GRAMCORD online, no luck so far. But, I did find a 1993 review of it at https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/cbtj/09-1_065.pdf. It says, "Gramcord installation requires a basic knowledge of DOS," and later, under weaknesses, "It is unavailable in a Windows version." This accords with my recollections, that I was using the drop down menus in DOS. I also resisted using Windows 3, and only started using Windows 95 in the late 90s, when I finally saw the value of running a second program. I guess I spent most of my time in Multi-Lingual Scholar, then GRAMCORD, then G, . . . In any case, GRAMCORD would have been the same program, whether you typed cd \ > cd GRAMCORD > gramcord.exe to open it, or later used the W3 or W95 GUI. Regards, Michel Edit: review of it An update, fwiw I've been thinking about this on and off all day. What I do remember is that there was an interface in the DOS version with dialogue boxes, which developed into the Windows interface or template. Once you pressed Search, you would get a list of hits that you could print or send to a word processor. Since Windows 3 and 95 were just GUIs over a DOS layer, many of us continued to use the CMD prompt, which to us was just another DOS prompt, to open G. The drop down menus that I mentioned were probably from the Windows version. It happened so fast, and the menus/selections were so similar, that I probably just blurred the distinction. Anyways, Accordance's GUI is much better. I wish the Windows version had come out much earlier. Regards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 My top 25 list would look different. Most of all, it would definitely include: Aug 2005, Accordance adds basic raw appleevent api's. In other words, the framework for intruducing the Widget (and other scripting interaction). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarcher Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Great stuff in there. Thanks again for all the great work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSchrock Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I didn't come to Accordance until 2011, but in my time here I'd have to say the October 2014 release of the Info Pane has been the most significant for me. It's hard to imagine using Accordance without it! Thank you for making Accordance incredibly powerful and enjoyable to use! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Gilbert Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I’ve been a user for a little over 5 years, and I would say the 5 most significant things for me were: the Windows version, the Construct Search GUI to replace GRAMCORD, the Syntax Databases to replace the one in Logos, Live Click to mimic BibleWorks, and this Forum, which helped me with Accordance and my migration away from Windows to Mac. The things mentioned by others are probably just as great, but I don’t know how to use them yet. But, I think Accordance has changed the way we all do Bible study. Thanks, Michel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 My top 25 list would look different. Most of all, it would definitely include: Aug 2005, Accordance adds basic raw appleevent api's. In other words, the framework for intruducing the Widget (and other scripting interaction). That's a good one, too. My initial list went beyond 25 events, but it had to be 25 right? It will be much easier on Accordance's 100th anniversary! I have a great graphic of the original widget. I'm thinking of writing an "honorable mentions" post sometime in the future. I can include your "August 2005" entry :-) If others want to suggest other honorable mentions, I'll consider including them in the follow-up post, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I have a great graphic of the original widget. That's much better than this original widget. http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3561/685/1600/logoswidget.0.png Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Mansfield Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 That's much better than this original widget. I remember your posting that years ago. And I even left a comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Weaks Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I remember your posting that years ago. And I even left a comment! I see that you did. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Dornfeld Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Sorry, I cannot resist. https://youtu.be/r4iX30SKuEQ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Dornfeld Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 IDK where else to put this, but given I just posted a Demon Hunter song here, I thought I would share that I thought it was cool the heavy rockers come out with something like this: https://youtu.be/vN0qJExuIQ0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapcramer Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I am using Accordance since version 10. My Hebrews professor subtly promoted it to his students. Of the 25 events, I liked the addition of the info-pane. It shows off the content of the library and points you to sources you didn't know you had. Also, it shows off the speed of Accordance and makes you virtually unaware of the power behind this piece of software. Secretly I am hoping that this looking backward moment is followed by a forward-looking preview of Accordance 13? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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