searching for compound verbs

[Jonna Schmidt]

HI: I know that this has been asked before, but I could still use some help. I am reading a book by Dr. Eta Linneman, and she mentions the issue of "complexity" with regards to the synoptic Gospels. She indicates that one of the arguments for Markan priority has been its "more primitive language", based on "few compound verbs", but Dr. Linneman has done some sort of search which does NOT support this. 

 

So.... can I do my own search with Accordance? Do I need to go back to my Bibleworks software? 

 

Basically: I want to do a search of compound verbs in the Greek NT

 

THANKS

 

 

[Jonna Schmidt]

Just my own "update": I sort of found a work around, thanks to a forum from a few years back with a response from David Lang. In essence, he suggests a construct search, and I followed his instructions. Basically: under VERB, you enter ROOT

In the previous exchange: I see that the original inquirer entered MANY prepositions.

 

So.... I did a search to get a list of ALL GNT prepositions, and then: I entered just #4 prepositions at a time. This seems to be working. See my screen shots.

 

So, I can manually just "add the hits" and do multiple searches. 

 

But I know have 2 questions

 

1. I did a search to get "ALL" of the prepositions in the GNT. Did I do this correctly?

 

2. Is there a way to "save" or "combine" my searches such that: I now have a complete list of compound verbs in "one unified search"?

 

3. I do not understand why David Lang's recommend "seems to work". Can someone help me understand WHY it works?

 

PRAYING THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE IN FLORIDA!

[Jonna Schmidt]

finding it hard to attach my screen shots

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forum question part 1 my construct.tiff

[Λύχνις Δαν]

Ok, I answered in the other thread what you have evidently worked out already.

 

As to your questions here.

 

1. What you did seems ok to me, except for any compounds that use a preposition not attested in the NT. I don't know if there are any so you would need to check that. So another way to have at that is to grab a list of prepositions from a decent classical greek grammar - it would probably have the biggest list. I only see 19 preps in the NA28 tagged in Accordance. There are 39 improper preps as well. I don't know if any form compounds. Well at least ἔξω does. Actually this may not be strictly accurate as it comes from εκ so its root is εκ not εξω. But checking those might be useful depending upon what bearing that has on your work. The other way which may well be harder but might be helpful is to get a list of all verbs and order them and then compare the prefixes with your list of preps and see what's missing or additional. This would end up being a manual exercise and time consuming.

 

Bear in mind also that the search results are only as good as the tagging. If one is missing you'll not see it. This should be a rarity (hopefully an extreme rarity) but is always something to remember when working with databases.

 

2. Once you have list you should be able to create a search for all of them, probably as a () list and you can save that workspace or tab.

 

3. I'll leave David to answer for himself. I could not see where he said this precise phrase in the other post. In any case this works in Acc because compound verbs are tagged with two roots - that of the preposition and that of the verb. It will match either in a search so providing the preposition as one root is enough to make this work. At least that's what I believe is going on.

 

Thx

D

Edited September 3, 2019 by דָנִיאֶל

[Jonna Schmidt]

Thanks -- I thought my "methodology" might be overly simplistic. My goal was to "verify" some of the claims of the book in a general fashion (not do any formal research), so it was great to get some practice.

[mbcvida]

I tried this for compound verbs - (ανα*, ανευ*, αντι*, απο*, ατερ*, δια*, εἰσ*, εκ*, εξ*, εν*, επι*, κατα*, μετα*, παρα*, περι*, προ*, προσ*, συν*, υπερ*, υπο*)@ [VERB] 

in the gospels (range) - 444 diff forms in 2006 verses - Mark has a higher %/1000 words than the other gospels - if I have read correctly

 

Is this what you were attempting using the construct?