Simple "OR" search in Research Tab not working

[TYA]

Pardon my frustration: I can't have even one "OR" search term to find both "Hitpael" and "Hithpael" at the same time in the Research Tab????  See attached.  (Note: this search was done in the first place to research the answer to Bielikov's question here.)

 

What is going on?  We know that the Research Tab does support "OR" search terms--at least to some extent--(but see my other recent post regarding the Research Tab), so why can't I find two simple English words together, including only one "OR" term for spelling variations?  Ugh.  It seems to be "on again--off again."

 

Please, dearest, fix this so that there is reliability in Accordance's search.  And also add more search functionality to this Research Tab, so that the competition has nothing over the company and software I love so much.

Edited September 22, 2019 by TYA

[Λύχνις Δαν]

I suspect this is the usual failure with <OR>ing of terms where one of them does not exist. I agree it really needs to be fixed. If I understand how the code in research works (which I've never seen) my guess is that fixing that <OR> behaviour in individual module searches will also result in this working.

 

Thx

D

[TYA]

I suspect this is the usual failure with <OR>ing of terms where one of them does not exist.

 

No; both terms exist, as my illustration makes clear.  See the screenshot.

 

All the more mystifying and frustrating, although I agree with you that such a problem would need to be fixed regardless.

Edited September 22, 2019 by TYA

[Λύχνις Δαν]

Not in the same module they don't.

 

Thx

D

[TYA]

Not in the same module they don't.

 

But the Research Tab looks across *all* modules, so what does it matter that the results aren't in the same module?  My screenshot shows that both "Hitpael" and also "Hithpael" do exist within 4 words of "absolute."  I can find them individually, but when I employ the "OR" term to save from having to multiply searches to account for spelling variants, then all is lost.  Game over.

 

But D., if you are speaking as a programmer, then I have nothing to contend with you, because I know nothing about the programming.  All I know is that it simply doesn't work; it isn't consistent; and it is extremely, extremely frustrating.

 

There I was trying to research something for Bielikov, to help answer his question, and that one simple activity was cut short--as has been the case dozens of times over the last year--by fresh instances of search problems.

 

I do appreciate your support and agreement here, D., on the fact that it should work, and needs to be fixed.  Having reliable "AND" / "OR" search functionality is crucial, a must-have.  I know that Accordance is working hard to make improvements, and for that I am sincerely grateful.  May those improvements come quickly!

Edited September 22, 2019 by TYA

[Λύχνις Δαν]

The reason I responded is because I think at root these are the same issue - yes speaking as a coder. I could be wrong and they could be distinct but if you try :

 

(hitpael, hithpael) <WITHIN 4 Words> absolute

 

against each module individually no hits are found. You get prompted to choose one that does exist. If you remove the one that does NOT appear in each module then you find the hits, as you did. I am pretty sure, though I've never had it confirmed that Research iterates over the list of modules in the group you are Researching in and runs the queries against those modules in whichever fields make sense. If I'm correct then these failures would likely be caused by the same basic bug. But we programmers are more often wrong than right on the first analysis

 

Thx

D

[TYA]

Another example here.  Technically, in this instance I could just use a wildcard (yom hadi*) to find hits for either "yom hadin" or "yom hadiyn," but you also get many false positives from this method.

 

It would be nice for the Research Tab to have a little more "muscle" to navigate the large library of Resources in Accordance.  In a time crunch and wanted to look something up quickly this evening in the Research Tab, but ended up going in circles (conducting roughly 10 different searches to see what exactly the capabilities and limitations of the Research Tab are).

 

Please, can we get a definite answer on Accordance's intentions here.  At the very least, I'll know if my many posts are making an impact, taking effect, etc.  If I'm told flat out that the Research Tab will only allow such and such type of searches, then at least I will know going forward.  (But please don't say that.  I know Accordance will appreciate the need I'm pointing out here).

Edited September 29, 2019 by TYA

[TYA]

Another example here.  Technically, in this instance I could just use a wildcard (yom hadi*) to find hits for either "yom hadin" or "yom hadiyn,"

 

When looking back over this, I just realized that I committed an error in the screenshot.  I left the "Ha" prefix off of both search terms, so Accordance was correct to not find any hits as I entered it.  But my initial post still had a valid point.

Edited October 18, 2019 by TYA