PHI CD Support

[Fabian]

Hello 

 

Hello I know Accordance support the old TLG CD. The TLG CD was made in companion with the PHI https://packhum.org

https://epigraphy.packhum.org   https://epigraphy.packhum.org/allregions

 

They have still PHI CDs and license it and my Question is, will Accordance support this CD too. 

 

I came to this as I saw on http://marcion.sourceforge.net they support both CDs.

 

Can someone tell me more?

 

Greetings

 

Fabian

Edited October 8, 2019 by Fabian

[Helen Brown]

We have ordered the CDs and plan to implement the import feature for them, like the TLG CDs. Thanks for the contact information.

[Fabian]

Many Thanks.

 

Greetings

 

Fabian

[jlm]

One way to get these into Accordance would be to support TEI XML import instead of directly supporting the old PHI format. Diogenes (https://d.iogen.es/d/) can export texts from the TLG and PHI formats to TEI-compliant XML. There are also tens of millions of words of Greek and Latin online in TEI formats, including:

• Corpus Corporum aggregates mostly Latin texts totaling over 160 million words. This includes Patrologia Latina and the out-of-copyright CSEL volumes. Individual works can be downloaded in TEI XML: http://mlat.uzh.ch/index.php
• The First 1000 Years of Greek Project (up to 250 AD) has over 22 million words of Greek in TEI XML, and morphological annotation is available for many texts (i.e., they are tagged). Somehow the Greek catenae made it into this as well. https://opengreekandlatin.github.io/First1KGreek/ ("Read online" links here don't work: go directly to https://scaife.perseus.org for that).
• The Perseus Project has another 10 million words of Greek in TEI XML, with morphological annotation in progress.
• And they're starting a First 2000 Years of Greek project.

[Donald Cobb]

 

One way to get these into Accordance would be to support TEI XML import instead of directly supporting the old PHI format. Diogenes (https://d.iogen.es/d/) can export texts from the TLG and PHI formats to TEI-compliant XML. There are also tens of millions of words of Greek and Latin online in TEI formats, including:

• Corpus Corporum aggregates mostly Latin texts totaling over 160 million words. This includes Patrologia Latina and the out-of-copyright CSEL volumes. Individual works can be downloaded in TEI XML: http://mlat.uzh.ch/index.php
• The First 1000 Years of Greek Project (up to 250 AD) has over 22 million words of Greek in TEI XML, and morphological annotation is available for many texts (i.e., they are tagged). Somehow the Greek catenae made it into this as well. https://opengreekandlatin.github.io/First1KGreek/ ("Read online" links here don't work: go directly to https://scaife.perseus.org for that).
• The Perseus Project has another 10 million words of Greek in TEI XML, with morphological annotation in progress.
• And they're starting a First 2000 Years of Greek project.

 

 

 

I have zero knowledge of the tech aspect of all this, but Diogenes did have a great system of parsing words and connecting them up with (mostly) correct lexemes. Unfortunately, as far as I know, Diogenes is all but defunct on more recent Mac OS (I still have it on Windows).

 

So allow me to also reach out to the fine folks at Accordance and ask, Is there is any way of integrating this same kind of system into Accordance??? Sure, as is, we can convert the old files into a non-parsed text, but even for someone who has a decent grasp of classical Greek grammar/vocabulary, it's still an awful lot of work. Is anything like this possible? Or would it just be light years away from any kind of practical implementation?

 

That would make Accordance even more of a POWERFUL tool for original language research!

[Fabian]

The app Diogenes is one of two handful (free and paid) application to display the PHI and the TLG CD's. 

 

So it should be possible for Accordance to fulfill Donalds dream.

 

Greetings

 

Fabian

[jlm]

I have zero knowledge of the tech aspect of all this, but Diogenes did have a great system of parsing words and connecting them up with (mostly) correct lexemes. Unfortunately, as far as I know, Diogenes is all but defunct on more recent Mac OS (I still have it on Windows).

 

So allow me to also reach out to the fine folks at Accordance and ask, Is there is any way of integrating this same kind of system into Accordance??? Sure, as is, we can convert the old files into a non-parsed text, but even for someone who has a decent grasp of classical Greek grammar/vocabulary, it's still an awful lot of work. Is anything like this possible? Or would it just be light years away from any kind of practical implementation?

 

That would make Accordance even more of a POWERFUL tool for original language research!

Diogenes 4 was released this autumn: it's a 64-bit app on macOS, so it runs on Catalina. It also added TEI-compliant XML export, among other features.

 

The way Diogenes deals with parsing is to have prebuilt lists of possible parses, constructed by feeding the TLG and PHI corpora through a parser written in Java by the Perseus Project. Using a prebuilt list means that the parser doesn't have to be shipped with and integrated into Diogenes. I made some suggestions about how Accordance could be made more useful for non-tagged texts here: https://www.accordancebible.com/forums/topic/26233-automatic-grammatical-tagging/.

[Donald Cobb]

Diogenes 4 was released this autumn: it's a 64-bit app on macOS, so it runs on Catalina. It also added TEI-compliant XML export, among other features.

 

The way Diogenes deals with parsing is to have prebuilt lists of possible parses, constructed by feeding the TLG and PHI corpora through a parser written in Java by the Perseus Project. Using a prebuilt list means that the parser doesn't have to be shipped with and integrated into Diogenes. I made some suggestions about how Accordance could be made more useful for non-tagged texts here: https://www.accordancebible.com/forums/topic/26233-automatic-grammatical-tagging/.

 

 

Thanks for the update Jlm, as well as the explanations. That's all good stuff.

[Donald Cobb]

Just as a follow-up to Jlm's helpful post, those interested will find the updated version of Diogenes here. The update is indeed recent, since the date I've found on it only goes back to 10 October, 2019. I'm most thankful, as I had despaired of ever being able to use Diogenes again on a recent Mac!

 

Although access to the TLG materiel is limited to those who have the old CDs, AFAIK, the Latin CDs, the Duke Papyrus collection and the Greek inscription CDs should still be available.