Ya, might as well. New Accordance 13 features like a crisper interface and dark mode, and poking fun at the competition is much more important than being my brother's keeper. On the other hand, when Jordan said, "Thank you for bringing this to our attention. As a parent, I'm always concerned about these sorts of things," I thought it was the beginning of a much more gracious and forgiving response to ricketyroad and those God put in his keep.
Posted 16 October 2019 - 02:10 PM
Has anybody tried the MacOS Child Protection in Mojave or the Screentime in Catalina?
ATTENTION: My bug reports are all with the GERMAN INTERFACE and with the EUROPEAN NOTATION! It can be the English interface has no bug, which I describe.
Posted 16 October 2019 - 09:40 PM
... On that basis alone, it seems that the Accordance browser should offer the same kinds of protections that other browsers do, i.e., content blocking, parental controls, and filter programs. It seems that a lot of people need them. The Accordance Workspace should be a sacred space and a safe place....
The browsers don't offer protections. But 3rd Parties do.
And I get very disturbed to think that anyone would buy/use Accordance to bypass protections put in place by guardians and parents. I cannot for the life of me imagine anyone would abuse the browser this way... with the bibles and scriptures in all the links and tabs, and with a porn site in the viewing pane.
It's just abhorrent... and points to much bigger issues that needs handling.
Look at it this way,
1. A person bent on defeating porn filter wont need Accordance to get their porn kicks.
2. A person who is visiting such sites (no matter how accidentally) with a bible study tool like Accordance while ostensibly studying Scripture, needs urgent help and not just a filter.
Edited by lesterchua, 16 October 2019 - 09:40 PM.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 09:10 AM
First, a few disclaimers: this will be my last post on this subject; I'm not a techie when it comes to proxies or filters, etc.; my knowledge of porn blockers or apps is next to nothing, I first heard about Net Nanny 4 months ago at a missions conference.
Here is what I do know.
I was a presenter at the 2019 Korean Global Mission Leaders Forum in Sokcho, South Korea, on "Missionaries, Mental Health, and Accountability in Church and Agency Support Systems." One of the presentations (not mine) was on sexual addiction. I can't share specifics until the Forum book comes out next March or so, but I can share a general theme from that paper and several others. Missionary kids are often isolated, insulated, lonely, bored, and unsupervised, and they often turn to unhealthy use of the internet, first to video games when they are younger, and then to porn as they get older. Missionary parents are mostly too busy with an impossible set of demands to spend quality time with their children; the mission comes first. So, they change the search settings to the strictest they can be, and they install Net Nanny (the only one I heard of at the Forum). Of course, as children get older, they can circumvent all of this. But I can envision a situation where they discover that the Accordance browser on their parents' computer, or on their own, doesn't have a blocker program installed. "The heart is devious above all else," and I can easily envision someone feigning to study the Bible, but using the browser for porn instead. Or, having a Bible tab or workspace ready to bring up if parents are coming. Also, parents often lag behind their children when it comes to technology, so some, like most of us I would guess, would not have even thought about the Accordance browser being used in this way.
What I would ask is not that Accordance go above and beyond, but just allow what the secular browsers allow. You can see where my heart is. Let missionary parents install the same protections in the Accordance browser.
By the way, the person who presented on sexual addiction gave stats that were even more startling about porn addiction in the US, with even more pastors and even more youth pastors struggling with it than I said above. If it becomes well known that the Acc browser has some loopholes for porn viewing, it could be used as such to hide the addiction from others, all the while appearing to be studying the Word. But again, my heart really is with the Korean situation and the work I'm involved with there.
I'm not sure that Accordance values my endorsement, but at the moment I can't endorse it in the Korean context. It just strikes me as incredulous that the Accordance browser is not on par in this area. Parents should be able to have control of that browser too.
Edited by Michel Gilbert, 17 October 2019 - 10:12 AM.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 09:45 AM
Thanks for your measured response. It adds a great deal to the conversation we are having here.
I would add that, to my knowledge, every web browser is engineered to be able to access and display almost anything that is available on the WWW.
In that regard, the Accordance browser is no different from any other browser, out of the box.
This means, yes, one could access porn. (I haven't tried.)
What I understand Internet filters and porn blockers do, is essentially to interfere with that functionality, to limit what the browser can access.
They might use browser extensions or plugins, or adopt a broader system-wide feature (DNS editing or something, I don't know how it works TBH).
So Oak Tree should not be blamed for releasing a fully functioning web browser.
I think the onus should be on the filtering software companies and services to study how the Accordance browser works.
It is up to them to expand the functionality of their products by determining a way to inject their code or whatever they do so that Accordance's browser can be blocked/filtered etc.
There must be dozens of web browsers available on all the various platforms. The task must be huge to make sure they all work with Net Nanny or Covenant Eyes etc. The Accordance browser might have an installed user base of a few thousand copies? It will be way down the list of priorities for those companies.
RicketyRoad appeared on this forum from nowhere, made one post (effectively blackmailing Oak Tree) and has vanished. I suspect it may have been a joke or prank post. No matter, he raised an important issue. The answer AFAIK seems to be for the user to find the right system-wide filtering software (i.e not just a browser plug-in) that will include all internet traffic, including the Accordance browser as well as any other web browser, from accessing anything they don't want to access.
Edited by Alistair, 17 October 2019 - 10:04 AM.
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Posted 18 October 2019 - 08:06 AM
Thank you for the measured response. Since you stated that you'll not be posting on this topic anymore, I'll let you have the last word.
Thank you for the reminder to be gracious to even the rude. Paul did say, never repay evil for evil. Appreciate the reminder.
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