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#1 justinjevans

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 03:30 PM

Hello,

I would like to know how to search for all instances that has a particular subject with a given verb. For instance, how would I search for all places where יהוה occurs as the subject of the verb מלך?

I'm assuming this is something that can be done with either the Holmstedt module or ETCBC.

Thanks for your help!
Justin



#2 Robert Holmstedt

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:12 PM

For a quick search, set the depth =1 and do it like the first screenshot. 

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For a more accurate search, set the depth = 1 and build the search to account for the actual hierarchy, like the second screenshot.

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Be sure to click the "search both directions" box at the bottom of the construct search if you want both SV and VS hits. Further refine by choosing the type of verb, modifies for YHWH, etc. 


Edited by Robert Holmstedt, 09 December 2019 - 05:13 PM.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 05:40 AM

This is great! Thank you very much!



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Posted 10 December 2019 - 11:51 AM

Oops -- I meant to type "depth = 0" for the second search. 


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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:47 PM

No problem. I tried a few ways and got it to work. Thank you!

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 04:05 PM

When I try this, I get 0 results. 

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 04:28 PM

It worked for me. What text are you using it against ? It must be HMT-W4.

 

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 10:24 PM

Actually, it shouldn't work.  With depth set at 0, you would need to add the predicate label to the verb in the first column. Without specifying that, depth would have to be set at 1. 


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Posted 09 February 2020 - 12:20 AM

I went back and rechecked and reran it. Here is a screenshot. I believe I have the same search that Mendel tried.

 

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At least over Genesis seems to get the same hits with or without the PREDICATE element in the Predicate Phrase. It runs a while so I didn't check the whole HMT.

 

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Edited by דָנִיאֶל, 09 February 2020 - 12:25 AM.

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Sola lingua bona est lingua mortua
ἡ μόνη ἀγαθὴ γλῶσσα γλῶσσα νεκρὰ ἐστιν
lišanu ēdēnitu damqitu lišanu mītu

"Du stammst vom Herrn Adam und der Herrin Eva ab", sagte Aslan. "Und das ist zugleich Ehre genug, um das Häupt des ärmsten Bettlers zu erheben, und genug, um die Schultern des größten Kaisers auf Erden zu beugen. Sei zufrieden." Aslan, Die Chroniken von Narnia, Prinz Kaspian von Narnia. CS Lewis. Übersetzt von Wolfgang Holbein und Christian Rendel.

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 04:47 AM

It worked out. I don't know what the mistake was. BUT seaching יהוה and אלוהים leads to crash. As searching only for אלהים in the whole bible. Can you confirm? 


Edited by Mendel, 09 February 2020 - 04:54 AM.


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Posted 09 February 2020 - 05:18 AM

Searching for this kills Accordance. Very unstable.

 

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 05:49 AM

I'm getting a crash in Windows too. I'll make sure it's reported.


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Posted 09 February 2020 - 08:26 AM

I'm getting a crash in Windows too. I'll make sure it's reported.

 

Can you also report this?https://www.accordan...-syntax-search/



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Posted 09 February 2020 - 09:08 AM

Done!

 

 

Can you also report this?https://www.accordan...-syntax-search/


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