What is the issue here with the MT-LXX?

[Mendel]

Searching for the verb פסח in the Pentateuch, I get 3 results. The MT-LXX Analysis tells me that the verb is translated with παρέρχομαι = 1, σκεπάζω = 1, and (No direct translation) = 1. I wonder about the "no direct translation". Looking through the verses there is a direct translation for the third instance, which is an additional σκεπάζω. Trying this seach in Logos I get the correct results: παρέρχομαι = 1, σκεπάζω = 2.

 

My question is now, why does the MT-LXX says "(No direct translation) = 1" if there is one? Maybe I am overlooking something. 

 

Thanks 

[Jordan S]

My guess is because of the presence of the על preposition. Look at note 52 on Ex 12:27 in the MT-LXX Parallel module. 

 

The note reads: 52  Equivalent reflected elsewhere in the text, for grammatical, stylistic, or exegetic reasons. At the place where the equivalent occurs, the present vocable is indicated by {...XXX} or {...?XXX}. 

 

In other words {…על} is the reason for "no direct translation." That's my guess. 

[Mendel]

My guess is because of the presence of the על preposition. Look at note 52 on Ex 12:27 in the MT-LXX Parallel module. 

 

The note reads: 52  Equivalent reflected elsewhere in the text, for grammatical, stylistic, or exegetic reasons. At the place where the equivalent occurs, the present vocable is indicated by {...XXX} or {...?XXX}. 

 

In other words {…על} is the reason for "no direct translation." That's my guess. 

It seems to be a mistake. There is nothing special about the על, the על is there in the MT but the MT-LXX assumes that there are two times על.

[Jordan S]

I would have expected the same notes (#52 and #63) that occur in Ex 12:27 to also occur in Ex 12:13. 

[mgvh]

Try using the new TEXT command.

Search the LXX with this command:

 [HMT-W4 פסח=]

You get 12 results, and they look aligned correctly.

[Mendel]

Try using the new TEXT command.

Search the LXX with this command:

 [HMT-W4 פסח=]

You get 12 results, and they look aligned correctly.

 

Yes it works. But still strange, wonder why. 

[Jordan S]

*Edited for precision*

 

All of our MT-LXX alignment is based on the MT-LXX module.  The Interlinear and Analysis results use a more focused algorithm to try and find actual word by word alignment.  The TEXT command is more line by line or phrase by phrase.

 

Edited January 29, 2020 by Jordan S

[Mendel]

Ok, I understand. 

I have an addition question: Can I search for a Hebrew Lexeme and see the different Hebrew verb stems like Hifil or Piel, which are derived from that Lexeme plus the Greek tense?

[Joel Brown]

I'm not sure what you mean by the Greek tense, but in the same analysis display dialog where you dragged in "MT-LXX Word", you can also drag in Stem and order them however you like.

[Jordan S]

Set Analysis Display only gives you sorting options for the base text. So you can sort Hebrew lexeme > Stem > MT-LXX Lex, but you can't add the Greek Tense underneath that.

 

You would need to specify the tense in the TEXT command: נתנ@[VERB]‏@ ‎[LXX1 [VERB Aorist] ] 

Total number of verses = 984

  (total number of verses displayed = 984) 

 

נתנ@[VERB]@ [LXX1 [VERB Aorist] ] (1052 total words)

 

Number of different forms = 82:

(Triple-click a form to see its occurrences)

 

נתן to give, put, set = 1050

Qal = 1005

ἄγω = 1

ἀκούω = 1

ἄν = 1

 

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