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Posted 29 January 2020 - 03:31 PM

We released the Targums Wordmap during the ETS/SBL conferences back in November, but didn't publicize it much because it requires Accordance 13.0.3 or higher to run, and this update was not available at the time. We are giving it more attention this week with an introductory 33% discount through next week. Note that this tool is totally unparalleled in Bible Software. For more information, check out today's blog post.

 

 

 


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Posted 29 January 2020 - 04:02 PM

Thanks Accordance!  Makes me proud to be an Accordance user.


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Posted 29 January 2020 - 04:11 PM

Good stuff! It would be fantastic if you could add some Sokoloff dictionaries for these Targums.

Any plans to extend it for the Prophets and Writings?


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Posted 29 January 2020 - 05:24 PM

Awesomeness!


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Posted 29 January 2020 - 05:47 PM

Killin' me, Smalls. This is so cool.



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Posted 30 January 2020 - 12:27 AM

Just purchased and started using this.  Help me understand: what is currently limited about this tool to only Genesis to Leviticus?

 

The cross-highlighting appears to work throughout the Tanakh (yay!), and not only be limited to Genesis to Leviticus. (see first screenshot).

 

But on the other hand, why do certain obvious equivalent expressions not cross-highlight, such as miy (who?) in Hebrew, and man (who?) in Aramaic?  (see second screenshot).

 

Um... wait a minute: why can I no longer upload images here in the forum?  I don't have the option to attach an image anymore--neither in Google Chrome, or Internet Explorer.  Did you change the forum somehow?  (see my comment to this effect here).

 

At any rate, for any of you have this module, note that many things which are "equivalents" aren't cross-highlighting.  I gave one example above with miy (who?) in Hebrew, and man (who?) in Aramaic.  Also, the divine name in Hebrew doesn't cross-highlight with the divine substitution in the targums.  Why?


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Posted 30 January 2020 - 06:28 AM

Does it includes the targumim modules?



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Posted 30 January 2020 - 07:58 AM

danielcutri:

 

No, it does not include the Targums text yourself.  You'll need to own those texts as well to make use of the WordMap.

 

TYA:

The WordMap only covers Gen-Lev right now.  In the absence of the WordMap, Accordance attempts to cross-highlight results based on common lexical forms.  Because of the number of cognates and 'Hebraisms' throughout the Targums this may give the appearance of an alignment, but it is quite inaccurate (an unfortunate side-effect of Aramaic using the same letters as Hebrew).  There is only this accurate alignment throughout Gen-Lev.

 

However, throughout Gen-Lev you should find the alignment top-notch.  It really is a very high-quality, scholarly work.  Prof. Gottlieb and his team have done a fantastic job.  If you find the alignment isn't working in Gen-Lev, then you may not have the database installed yet.

 

Mendel:

The project in theory would like to extend to the Prophets, Writings, and even other sets of texts, but these would all be significant future endeavors, depending on a lot of other external factors.  The scope of the "definitely coming" part is the Torah.


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Posted 30 January 2020 - 06:17 PM

Is there any tutorial how to use it?  



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Posted 30 January 2020 - 06:21 PM

 

Is there any tutorial how to use it?  

 

Just so happens that I'm in the final stages of editing a video right now!

 

Joel Brown is the one doing the demoing.

 

[My apologies for posting this as another user a moment ago. I had been helping him with a password and had forgotten to log out of his profile.]


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Posted 30 January 2020 - 11:20 PM

 

TYA:

The WordMap only covers Gen-Lev right now.  In the absence of the WordMap, Accordance attempts to cross-highlight results based on common lexical forms.

 

Thanks for this explanation, and I just want to say a big "thank you" again.  This is marvelous.  I'm even glad that they / you decided to release it before it was 100% complete.  Thanks Accordance for investing in this direction.


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Posted 31 January 2020 - 04:49 PM

The video for the Targums Wordmap is now on both the blog post and the product page


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Posted 31 January 2020 - 07:55 PM

The idea of other wordmaps coming is really exciting.


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Posted 02 February 2020 - 08:17 PM

With the MT-LXX database I can do searches that allow me to find how particular words are translated i.e. coordinating the matches between one language and the other. For example, I can find all instance where AHV is translated as Agape, or all instances where AHV is not translated as agape. Because it is possible for the Hebrew text to have multiple words for "love" in the same verse and it is possible for the Greek text to also have multiple words for "love" in the same verse. Simply looking for verses that contain specific words in each verse does not allow for accurate searching. The MT-LXX module let's me compare the exact word in each version when doing searches. 

 

 

Is there any way to do this with the word maps?

 

The following is the result of a search for AHV where it is not translated as agape:

 

Gen. 27:4
אהבתי φιλῶ {+}57 ἐγώ
Gen. 27:9
אהב φιλεῖ
 
Gen. 27:14
‏אהב ἐφίλει
Gen. 37:4
אהב ~20 =22אבי/הם ὁ πατὴρ
~20 אבי/הם =22אהב φιλεῖ
1Sam. 18:1
*03‏ו/יאהב/ו‎ **05‏ו/יאהב/הו‎ --- ''13
1Kings 11:1
‏אהב נשׁים‎ ἦν φιλογύναιος
Is. 56:10
‏אהבי‎ φιλοῦντες
Jer. 20:4
‏אהב/יך‎ τοῖς φίλοις σου
Jer. 20:6
‏אהב/יך‎ οἱ φίλοι σου
Jer. 22:20
‏מאהב/יך οἱ ἐρασταί σου

 

 

 

 

Note: I was going to add some example pictures from Accordance, but the option no longer appears to add a file attachment. 



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Posted 02 February 2020 - 08:21 PM

Also, the video shows a word map tool, but notes that it won't be available until 13.1.0. Are there any estimates about how long it will be before this release is provided?


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Posted 03 February 2020 - 11:08 AM

Mike, responding to both of your points.

1) The 13.1 requirement is only for the special “Alignment Pane” viewing of the data. All of the cross highlighting, search, and analysis is already available in 13.0.4.

2) yes, the type of search you specify is precisely one of the things we wanted the WordMap to do. This would be done using something like:

[email protected][TARG-T lex2]

Or for negative:

[email protected][TARG-T lex2]
To answer your question about timing, we never like promising dates. That being said, it will be the next semi-major (free for 13 users) upgrade of Accordance, so it shouldn’t take too long.
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Posted 03 February 2020 - 11:41 AM

Mike, responding to both of your points.

1) The 13.1 requirement is only for the special “Alignment Pane” viewing of the data. All of the cross highlighting, search, and analysis is already available in 13.0.4.

2) yes, the type of search you specify is precisely one of the things we wanted the WordMap to do. This would be done using something like:

[email protected][TARG-T lex2]

Or for negative:

[email protected][TARG-T lex2]
To answer your question about timing, we never like promising dates. That being said, it will be the next semi-major (free for 13 users) upgrade of Accordance, so it shouldn’t take too long.

 

I can no longer post a picture otherwise I would include a screen shot.

 

 

However, the positive search ([TARG-T ‏רחם‎]@אהב=) appears to work but the negative search ([TARG-T ‏רחם‎][email protected]אהב=) does not. 

 

The negative search return the following verse which all contain רחם; however, there is no apparent mapping to these verses i.e. cross highlighting does not work 

 

Deut. 4:37‏ וּחלָף אֲרֵי רָחֵים יָת אֲבָהָתָך וְאִתרְעִי בִבנֵיהוֹן בָתְרֵיהוֹן וְאַפְקָך בְמֵימְרֵיה בְחֵילֵיה רַבָא מִמִצרָיִם׃
 
‎Deut. 5:10‏ וְעָבֵיד טֵיבוּ לְאַלפֵי דָרִין לְרָחֲמַי וּלנָטְרֵי פִקוֹדָי׃
 
‎Deut. 6:5‏ וְתִרחַם יָת יוי אֲלָהָך בְכֹל לִיבָך וּבכָל נַפשָׁך וּבכָל נִכסָך׃
 
‎Deut. 7:9‏ וְתִידַע אֲרֵי יוי אֲלָהָך הוּא אֲלֹהִים אֲלָהָא מְהֵימְנָא נָטַר קִיָמָא וְחִסדָא לְרָחֲמוֹהִי וּלנָטְרֵי פִקוֹדוֹהִי לְאַלַף דָרִין׃
 
‎Deut. 7:13‏ וְיִרחֲמִינָך וִיבָרְכִינָך וְיַסגֵינָך וִיבָרֵיך וַלדָא דִמעָך וְאִיבָא דְאַרעָך עִיבוּרָך וְחַמרָך וּמִשׁחָך בַקרֵי תוֹרָך וְעַדרֵי עָנָך עַל ארעא דְקַיֵים לְאַבָהָתָך לְמִיתַן לָך׃


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Posted 03 February 2020 - 11:43 AM

I can no longer post a picture otherwise I would include a screen shot.

 

Side note: you can't post a picture because this thread is in the Announcements section where only admins can post pictures.


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Posted 03 February 2020 - 11:50 AM

Hi Mike,

The examples you pasted are all from Deuteronomy. Please bear in mind that at this time the WordMap covers Genesis through Leviticus. That is why the highlighting in Deuteronomy isn't working for you.


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Posted 03 February 2020 - 12:00 PM

Hi Mike,

The examples you pasted are all from Deuteronomy. Please bear in mind that at this time the WordMap covers Genesis through Leviticus. That is why the highlighting in Deuteronomy isn't working for you.

 

 

Yep, I missed that. Any idea on how soon before Num-Deut. will be available?


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