Kappa Aorists

[Francesco Grassi]

Hello,

 

is there a way to find all the "kappa" aorists of *μι verbs alone? (e.g. all those verbal forms which show the presence of the κ as the tense formative, like ἐδώκατε).

 

I've tried with HITS command comparing up to three tabs, but I cannot make it work.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks!

[Mark Allison]

Perhaps this will get you close?

 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Mark Allison

[Francesco Grassi]

Perhaps this will get you close?

 

Thanks, Mark, that works!

[Ken Simpson]

Though it does give you one or two false positives, but I don’t think there’s a better way to do it. Great question,, nice example Mark. (I still can’t get used to dark mode....)

[Francesco Grassi]

Though it does give you one or two false positives, but I don’t think there’s a better way to do it. Great question,, nice example Mark. (I still can’t get used to dark mode....)

 

To eliminate the false hits, I just typed the real endings, like this: *μι@ [VERB aorist] @("*κα", "*κας", "*κε*", "*καμεν", "*κατε", "*καν")

[Donald Cobb]

Yes, a great example of how Acc. works on some of the less usual forms. Thank you Mark! If it weren't so late in the evening, I'd be interested in playing around with this for liquid verbs, for instance, or second aorists... 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Donald Cobb

[Fabian]

Yes, a great example of how Acc. works on some of the less usual forms. Thank you Mark! If it weren't so late in the evening, I'd be interested in playing around with this for liquid verbs, for instance, or second aorists... 

Second aorists? Accordance has deleted years ago the distinguish between first and second aorists in their tagging texts. Maybe they have still an old version.

[Donald Cobb]

Second aorists? Accordance has deleted years ago the distinguish between first and second aorists in their tagging texts. Maybe they have still an old version.

 

Perhaps, but what interests me is that Mark's search isn't based on tagged categories but on actual forms that are in the texts. My thoughts were going in that direction...

[Fabian]

Perhaps, but what interests me is that Mark's search isn't based on tagged categories but on actual forms that are in the texts. My thoughts were going in that direction...

Ah, ok, I was not 100% sure. Thanks.

[Ken Simpson]

To eliminate the false hits, I just typed the real endings, like this: *μι@ [VERB aorist] @("*κα", "*κας", "*κε*", "*καμεν", "*κατε", "*καν")

yes, that’s a great workaround. If a little clumsy. I have always harboured a secret dream that we would tag the verbs with a stem and ending field as well. Augment would be nice too, but I can easily live without that. It would make pedagogy in early Greek a lot simpler. I’ve never mentioned it before, but there you go.  Dirty washing out!!

[Λύχνις Δαν]

Declensional class for nouns, adjs would be nice for the same reason.

 

Thx

D

[Ken Simpson]

Declensional class for nouns, adjs would be nice for the same reason.

 

yes. But in general (waiting for things to be thrown at me) verbs are tougher. But yes indeed it would be nice.