danielamari Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 One great feature that I have started to use in Accordance on the laptop is copy as citation. The amount of work that has saved me is tremendous. I was wondering if there is a way to import an external PDF documents into Accordance, and then use the copy as citation. Probably, if it is possible, there needs a way to mark the page separators or so. Any insight? Thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielamari Posted June 1, 2020 Author Share Posted June 1, 2020 Is that possible today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Let me try, I guess it should, but not really good. That means: The length of the titles of User Tools should be encreased (I requested this many times), you can't get a citation to a page, because this is not supported (hopefully soon, in Logos we can), ... What you can do now in Accordance 13.0.5 is to convert the PDF to a User Tool (as you have done) and the User Tool convert to a regular tool. Use to convert the gear above right in the User Tool. The new Tool if found under other books in the library. If you then cite, it gives you the name and the paragraph number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielamari Posted June 1, 2020 Author Share Posted June 1, 2020 Thank you Fabian. I am wondering if paragraph numbers are accepted as citations. Some of Accordance resources, such as older commentaries, do not provide page number but paragraph numbers in citations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Are the page numbers in the PDF file? So it is also then in the User Tool? BTW I have requested a feature which should Accordance recognize the page numbers and do it automatic as searchable as the page numbers are in the Accordance tools. PDF Expert recognize the page numbers. (Because there is a feature to remove it). And it would be great if Accordance take this and creates the [Page xxx] as in the Accordance Tools, and are searchable and citeable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hall Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 You should can substitute paragraph number for page number in any citation form (MLA, APA, Turabian). The typical abbreviation for paragraph is para. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Standards for acceptable citations depend on the academic community, but the general idea is that they should allow readers to find the text cited. This makes it possible verify the citation and see the text in context. In my opinion, a paragraph number in a PDF imported into Accordance does not meet that standard. First of all, a reader who has the PDF but does not have Accordance has no reasonable way to locate the text cited. Second, if he does have Accordance, but a couple of years have passed, the PDF importer could well have been improved to do a better job of identifying paragraphs, resulting in greater or smaller total number. Thus paragraph 2315 in a User Tool made by importing a PDF in two years could be in a different place from paragraph 2315 in a User Tool made by importing the same PDF today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielamari Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 Jlm, very good point. How would you cite an old commentary that is only available in accordance without page numbers? How about the book chapter and verse? Standards for acceptable citations depend on the academic community, but the general idea is that they should allow readers to find the text cited. This makes it possible verify the citation and see the text in context. In my opinion, a paragraph number in a PDF imported into Accordance does not meet that standard. First of all, a reader who has the PDF but does not have Accordance has no reasonable way to locate the text cited. Second, if he does have Accordance, but a couple of years have passed, the PDF importer could well have been improved to do a better job of identifying paragraphs, resulting in greater or smaller total number. Thus paragraph 2315 in a User Tool made by importing a PDF in two years could be in a different place from paragraph 2315 in a User Tool made by importing the same PDF today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I would choose the way you cite ebooks (ePubs, Mobi) which also mostly has no page numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Jlm, very good point. How would you cite an old commentary that is only available in accordance without page numbers? How about the book chapter and verse? Book, chapter, and verse sounds like a good choice to me. If I could find a scan of the printed commentary in Internet Archive or Google Books, I would use that to get a page number, but I'm fairly picky about my notes. If it's a commentary that has been reprinted or exists in multiple languages, book, chapter, and verse might be the most useful way to cite it, since readers could have different editions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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