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#1 lslapides

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Posted 19 September 2020 - 03:45 PM

I have been using Accordance for comparative work between the Hebrew Bible and the Greek OT. I will use the MT-LXX module or just place the MT text, LXX, NETS and ESV side by side in parallel.

 

I was studying Amos 9:11-12 in the Hebrew and Greek. Then I wanted to include the NT quote of Amos 9 in Acts 15:16-18. I tried opening NA28 Greek NT from the library to put it in a separate zone and then link the NT text to the other versions.

 

Accordance kept putting the NT Greek text as a separate tab not a separate zone. if I make the NT a parallel text, it will not work since the MT and LXX are OT texts and though the NT quotes the OT, it is still a NT text. 

 

I wanted to put the three original language text side by side, but I am having a challenging time doing it. Since the NA28 is tagged, I thought there may be some cross tagging between the texts as I have with the MT and the LXX. Any suggestions how to set up this workspace? 

Thanks for your help. 



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Posted 19 September 2020 - 04:05 PM

Do you have the LXX-GNT module?
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Posted 19 September 2020 - 04:16 PM

I guess I am not quite following why something like this (which it sounds like you have already tried) is not sufficient :

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Posted 19 September 2020 - 04:24 PM

I was not aware of a LXX-GNT module. That would help a lot. I guess beggars can’t be choosers but I would love to have a MT-LXX-NT module for studying OT citations that appear in the NT. I’ll have to go look for the LXX-GNT module. Thanks.

 

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Posted 19 September 2020 - 04:30 PM

I see this as a possibility but it does not appear the texts are tagged.  

https://www.accordan...ls/?pid=LXX-GNT

“The Greek Bible is a combination of two early critical texts of the LXX and the Greek New Testament, Swete’s LXX and Westcott/Hort’s New Testament in the Original Greek, combined into one continuously searchable “Greek Bible” module. The apparatus for Swete is not included.”



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Posted 19 September 2020 - 04:50 PM

I guess I am not quite following why something like this (which it sounds like you have already tried) is not sufficient :
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Posted 19 September 2020 - 04:55 PM

It’s difficult because I want to include the NT citation of an OT text. Acts 15:16-18 quotes Amos 9:11-12. The NT confirms mostly to the LXXbut the LXX does not reproduce an exact reproduction of the Hebrew. There are a few explainable variations. But I would like all three original language texts to scroll together and include cross tagging across all three texts. I hope this explanation helps.

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It’s difficult because I want to include the NT citation of an OT text. Acts 15:16-18 quotes Amos 9:11-12. The NT confirms mostly to the LXXbut the LXX does not reproduce an exact reproduction of the Hebrew. There are a few explainable variations. But I would like all three original language texts to scroll together and include cross tagging across all three texts. I hope this explanation helps.

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Posted 19 September 2020 - 05:52 PM

Don’t forget about the Parallels modules. There’s one for OT quotations in the NT. You can set it to display both the HMT and LXX for the OT and then you’d have all three texts scrolling in parallel.
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Posted 19 September 2020 - 05:59 PM

Don’t forget about the Parallels modules. There’s one for OT quotations in the NT. You can set it to display both the HMT and LXX for the OT and then you’d have all three texts scrolling in parallel.

Jonathan, thanks for your reply. Can you tell me the exact name of the parallel for the ability to scroll all three original language texts together? I assume since the NT is not an OT text even though it includes OT citations, the three won’t scroll in unison? Remember the OT citations within the NT are still part if the NT and the NT does not scroll with the OT,  I could be wrong. I certainly hope so. 

 

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Posted 19 September 2020 - 06:43 PM

The Parallels modules are included in every Accordance installation, so you should already have them. These databases are specially coded to align the content rather than verse references, so yes they'll scroll in parallel. In your particular case, the passage isn't very long and you can see the whole thing anyway, but obviously some parallel passages are much longer. 

 

These databases may not do everything you'd like, but they're really neat and sometimes just the perfect tool. Plus you already have them. :)

 

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Posted 19 September 2020 - 07:07 PM

Jonathan Huber: great suggestion. This may be the answer I am looking for. I will give it a try. Thanks for the helpful screenshots. 
 

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Posted 19 September 2020 - 11:05 PM

The Parallels modules are included in every Accordance installation, so you should already have them. These databases are specially coded to align the content rather than verse references, so yes they'll scroll in parallel. In your particular case, the passage isn't very long and you can see the whole thing anyway, but obviously some parallel passages are much longer. 

 

These databases may not do everything you'd like, but they're really neat and sometimes just the perfect tool. Plus you already have them. :)

 

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Great suggestion. I followed your suggestion. Especially helpful were the two screenshots. Though there is no cross tagging using the Parallels, still the ability to show the HB, LXX, ESV and the NA28 together is great. The instant details feature works as well but the words will not highlight when I hover over them. Minor problem for sure but should be addressed. I think there is room for great improvement with this feature, but it is a whole lot better than having these text in book form laid out on my kitchen table! Thanks again for the tip. 

 

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Posted 20 September 2020 - 01:59 AM

The LXX-GNT is tagged. I agree this information is missing in the description.

 

I would start with the ESV and then add the HB, LXX and NA28 as parallel. Save this as workspace. 

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If you want to search in another Bible than the ESV just change the search text here ==> Attached File  Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-20 um 08.39.20.png   181.26KB   0 downloads

 

 

If you don't search in the original languages (OL) then you can also put the NA28 to the LXX. It's called Combine Texts. Attached File  Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-20 um 08.46.03.png   414.77KB   0 downloads

 

 


Edited by Fabian, 20 September 2020 - 02:01 AM.

Greetings

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ATTENTION: My bug reports are all with the GERMAN INTERFACE and with the EUROPEAN NOTATION! It can be the English interface has no bugs, I describe.

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Posted 20 September 2020 - 06:12 PM

The LXX-GNT is tagged. I agree this information is missing in the description.

 

I would start with the ESV and then add the HB, LXX and NA28 as parallel. Save this as workspace. 

attachicon.gifBildschirmfoto 2020-09-20 um 08.55.12.png

 

 

If you want to search in another Bible than the ESV just change the search text here ==> attachicon.gifBildschirmfoto 2020-09-20 um 08.39.20.png

 

 

If you don't search in the original languages (OL) then you can also put the NA28 to the LXX. It's called Combine Texts. attachicon.gifBildschirmfoto 2020-09-20 um 08.46.03.png

Thanks for this information. I do not own the LXX-GNT but it appears to be a module that would be very helpful in my studies dealing with the  New Testament’s quotation of OT texts. 



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Posted 20 September 2020 - 07:04 PM

Hi Louis,

 

  One other thing you may find of interest is the [INFER ?] search command. You can use this to find similar wordings used in the LXX and NT.

 

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