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#41 Rick Ausdahl

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 07:06 PM

Rick, in lite you have a number of samplers (photo guide, atlas and timeline) so you can have a bit of a play to see how they integrate.

In 12 the image tools dont show in the info pane so they dont scroll. If you have images in your other tools (like esv study bible which is dripping with maps and illustrations) then that will scroll so you will see that there is an itemlinked to a package. However, If you have the resource open in a pane, it will scroll and you will see the actual illustration when relevant as in genesis 11 in esv.

However, the image tools will link to bible passages so you can click on the link to see the text from within the image resource. (This is taken from the photoguide sampler for bethlehem, but screen shot of iOS as not using 12 at the moment).

Also included a screen shot from carta sacred bridge so you can see the image and scripture reference.

As to tagging, accordance is on steroids and brilliant. If it can be tagged, it is! And while you may not have images in photoguide scrolling, you can ceratinly search you resources.

;o)

 

I'm not at my machine to type this so can't play around with the software at the moment, but have questions about two of the things you said. I.e:

 

In 12 the image tools don't show in the info pane so they don't scroll.

By "info pane" are you referring to the Instant Info window/pane that you can chose to have (or not have) open?

 

However, If you have the resource open in a pane, it will scroll and you will see the actual illustration when relevant as in genesis 11 in esv.

Does the term "resource" include tools like the Carta Atlas, Satellite Atlas, and Photoguides?  I watched one training video for an older version of Accordance and understand everything in the library is classified as a text or a tool, and that things like the atlases and Photoguides would be called tools if I'm following that correctly.  But are they (can they) also be referred to simply as resources?

 

I'm a little confused (my fault, not yours) but based on what you said, it's my impression that image related tools (maps, charts, photos) won't show up in the instant info pane, but if a map, chart, or photo tool (resource?) such as the Carta Atlas, Satellite Atlas, or an appropriate photoguide is open in it's own pane, that it will scroll along with a text such as the ESVs.  Am I tracking with you?  If not, it's probably because I'm not familiar enough with the software.


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Posted 08 December 2016 - 07:07 PM

Julia has also gave some excellent ideas you could try Rick 


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Posted 08 December 2016 - 07:13 PM

Rick – You might want to consider some of the free Webinars.  Here's one on the Timeline.  And one on the Atlas.  There are also archived Webinars.  Another option, to have an in-person demo where you can get your questions answered, is a free Training Seminar.  My husband and I have been to three.  We always learn something new.  As a bonus we get to meet Accordance staff and other users.

Julia, thank you for the links.  I won't be able to make the upcoming training seminar, but will check out the Timeline, Atlas, and Webinar links.


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 04:28 PM

Hi rick.

My bad, yes i should have said tool rather than resource. Basically the things you buy. So yes, carta sacred bridge or photo guide are tools which i called resources.

The info pane lists the the tools that you have which relate to a particular verse and you can have the pane open. Have a look at this blog podcast. And you will see what is in the info pane. As in all accordance stuff, you can have it open or closed. Simple click on tool bar to open it. It shows commentary, study bible, cross references, word lists and topics. Unfortunately not carta sacred bridge, satellite atlas or photo guide.

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You can open photo guide in its own pane but it will not scroll with a bible text.
The photo guide includes links in the text to bible passages so you can click on those and see them in the instant details.

You can open a study bible in its own pane.
This will scroll with the bible text.
If there is an image in the study bible, eg esv, then you will see the image.

The info pane is different from instant details.

But play when next at your computer and more will become clear.

;o)

Edited by ukfraser, 10 December 2016 - 04:31 PM.

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 03:20 PM

This is an excellent set, well indexed and worth getting while its on offer for the useful background images .

;o)

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 03:47 AM

Since it seems as if this topic has been rekindled, I thought I might add some comments.

 
First, here's what I have and use:  timeline, atlases, bible art, Uncial images.
 
Limitations:  I use my iPad for teaching. And when using the atlases I find several limitations:  Some atlases are not available for syncing or downloading to the iPad (for some strange reason:  "Holman Charts, Maps, Reconstructions").  Those that are, are of some use (ZIBBCOT, ZIBBCNT).  The difficulty I find with them is that when you try to use the "pinch and zoom" feature in the iOS, you can only zoom in so far before it springs back.  I was doing a bible study on the seven churches in Revelation and in the most embarrassing way had to give up using my atlas because when I zoomed in to look at a church's location, it would spring out once again.  Also, when loading large modules onto my iPad, (ZIBBCOT), it causes Accordance to lock up. So, I've deleted them. And now Accordance on my iPad is somewhat useable without them.
 
Advantages/Strengths:    Of all the graphics modules, the images provided to accompany the tagged uncial texts are the best.  They load reliably onto my iPad.  I can expand them and zoom in without the app crashing.  And I can use them without an internet connection (as opposed to having to look them up  on the official website corresponding to their manuscript).  In fact, I would very much like to see the offerings of these uncial images expanded into the earlier papyri images (p45-46, the bodmer collection, etc).
 
I've used the Accordance Mac OS atlas over the years. And I have to admit, it's very powerful and fun to use.  It's a somewhat complicated process to build a map layer and then save it for use later on. But it's worth it.  Years ago I made on on the table of nations in Genesis. And it turned out very nice.

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 09:45 AM

 

Some atlases are not available for syncing or downloading to the iPad (for some strange reason:  "Holman Charts, Maps, Reconstructions").  

 

 

Outis, you should be able to install Holman Book of Biblical Charts, Maps, & Reconstructions on your iPad. I don't have mine in front of me, but here's a screenshot from my iPhone.

 

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 10:02 AM

Outis, the springing back from full zoom isn't limited to images in accordance, it also happens in my pdf reading software, image software and safari so im guessing it is a 'feature' of Ios.

;o(

Edited by ukfraser, 14 December 2016 - 10:21 AM.

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Posted 15 December 2016 - 06:44 AM

Update:

 

  • I was able to get the Holman maps and charts module working. It's not in the category I expected to find it in.
  • The springing back 'feature' found in the atlases is annoying.  However in the 'images' modules (for the uncials) it doesn't seem to be present.  So I can zoom and it will stay there.

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Posted 15 December 2016 - 08:05 AM

The native image viewer in iOS allows us to specify a minimum and maximum zoom level on an image. And as part of its built in gesture handling it will allow a user to temporarily exceed the maximum zoom level during the pinch to zoom gesture But it will spring back to the maximum once the gesture is released.

For iAccord I believe we set the maximize zoom level to 2X the original image size. That's why some images can be zoomed more than others. It's entirely dependent on the original image size in the module.

We can certainly look at setting the maximum zoom level higher. Particularly since many of our newer modules are shipping with higher resolution images than what was available when the app was first launched.

Thank you as always for the feedback.
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Posted 15 December 2016 - 08:18 AM

Here is a suggestion if you want to use image files and zoom a little easier. You can select the image in Accordance on the iPad. Choose Share. There is not an option to "Save Image" but you can choose "Add to Notes." Once in Notes you can select the image and there you can "Save Image" and it will save to Photos. Once you have all the photos you want to use you can put them in an Album (or create one). Once in Photos you can zoom a little easier and even crop an image to show just the part of the image you desire.

 

Perhaps I could suggest that the next version of mobile Accordance allow Sharing to permit "Save Image." 


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Posted 15 December 2016 - 08:22 AM

Thanks scott for the background information. It may be worth revisiting the setting as in addition to improved image resolution, the latest iOS devices have increased screen resolutions compared to those when iaccord was first made available.

The joys of improving technology.

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Posted 15 December 2016 - 09:07 PM

Hi rick.

My bad, yes i should have said tool rather than resource. Basically the things you buy. So yes, carta sacred bridge or photo guide are tools which i called resources.

The info pane lists the the tools that you have which relate to a particular verse and you can have the pane open. Have a look at this blog podcast. And you will see what is in the info pane. As in all accordance stuff, you can have it open or closed. Simple click on tool bar to open it. It shows commentary, study bible, cross references, word lists and topics. Unfortunately not carta sacred bridge, satellite atlas or photo guide.

https://www.accordan...ne-Enhancements

You can open photo guide in its own pane but it will not scroll with a bible text.
The photo guide includes links in the text to bible passages so you can click on those and see them in the instant details.

You can open a study bible in its own pane.
This will scroll with the bible text.
If there is an image in the study bible, eg esv, then you will see the image.

The info pane is different from instant details.

But play when next at your computer and more will become clear.

;o)

Thank you, ukfraser.  That helped.  I looked at the podcast and saw the info pane also included entries for timeline and atlas, but I'm guessing the atlas listed is Accordance's own/built-in atlas vs other atlas tools such as the Satellite Bible Atlas and Carta atlas tools.


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Posted 16 December 2016 - 07:01 AM

I'm guessing this could end up as a request for image rich tools such as photo collections and atlases to be listed in the info pane under their own image heading whenever there is a relevant image (just as grammar and study bible were added in this release, though it may result in image overload).

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