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#21 Bret Hicks

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:53 PM

And to reiterate, I think Accordance is a wonderful program, and I truly appreciate the hard work the folks have put into making this program so powerful and easy to use.  

 

I have actually used all three of the major programs, and they each have their strengths.  I still have BibleWorks installed in Parallels on my MacBook, but I only rarely fire it up to use some resource I already own there but do not have in Accordance. On the whole, given the complexity inherent in the power the programs possess, it is hard enough to learn all the things you can do with any one of them - much less to keep switching between them all.

 

It is great to have these tools available today.  What a gift to those of us wanting to study, apply, and teach God's Word!

 

 

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:38 AM

This is an interesting discussion. I think one of the advantages of software loyalty is having all of your resources in one place. A while ago, I made the decision that I was going to buy all of my non-biblical resources in the Kindle format. While I could also buy resources in iBooks, as I like their app design better, it makes a big difference to have all of my resources in one place.

 

I completely agree. I look forward to the day when I can get everything on one platform!  :lol:



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:08 PM

I completely agree. I look forward to the day when I can get everything on one platform!  :lol:

 

This is exactly how I feel. I look forward to the day when I use nothing but Accordance. Just not quite here yet.

 

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:00 PM

This really got me thinking. I prefer AmiPro as a word processor and have used it since the early 90's but have eventually had to give it up a couple of years ago because the world uses Word. I have used HymnQuest every week since 2008 to prepare services and can't see any reason to move away as there is nothing that comes close to it! I had an old version of Zondervan and upgraded to Pradis which I regret as its not as good so am looking forward to accordance on windows so I use one product and its interface is better (though I still prefer the verse selection and NIV headings in Pradis). I haven't upgraded to accordance 10 as there is no need to for me (unlike moving from 8 to 9) and I only upgrade HymnQuest when I have a new music book which I need in the database. I haven't upgraded from snow leopard and tend to upgrade windows only when I get a new version of PhotoShop which requires it, though I now use Lightroom more so am unlikely to upgrade PhotoShop in the future. My version of Sibelius 3 had to be upgraded to 7 when I needed to start converting them to PDF on my MBP as I was using it more than on windows but there is a lot of unrest in the user community since AVID took it over and people will change if there is a viable alternative.

So in summary, I think that software reaches a level where it meets most of my needs and I stop on that version until I have to upgrade because of the OS or a required feature in the new version. I tend to research a lot before with parting with my cash (it took a year to get accordance) so I tend to stay with my decision. But I will change if there is something better, either feature or usability. And I will also change to something worse if it means I can work more easily with others.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:56 PM

This really got me thinking. I prefer AmiPro as a word processor and have used it since the early 90's but have eventually had to give it up a couple of years ago because the world uses Word. 

 

Oh yes, I so remember Amipro and Smartsuite. Great word processor, but I was forced onto the MS Word path for the same reason!  Though it seems now on word processing formats that the interoperability has improved.  



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:56 PM

I have used all open source and closed source apps that I know of, and decided to stick to two, one for the library and Accordance for the function. Accordance is the best, apart from I would like three things two are already mentioned; export customization, and daily study customization but I started to use an iphone app from a ministry that does a supper amazing job at this. The one thing that seems obvious to me but not to everyone else is a search right click. bringing a drop down box to how it searches.

This is like clicking in the highlight window and having it find everything highlighted a certain way, now you have to , yes I can't search detailed this way but I want a search that is easy and very intuitive.



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:27 PM

I don't know whether you are referring to Accordance or you your other mobile app, but Accordance will allow you to right-click (Ctrl-click) in the search entry box and select a variety of search commands and symbols.

I have used all open source and closed source apps that I know of, and decided to stick to two, one for the library and Accordance for the function. Accordance is the best, apart from I would like three things two are already mentioned; export customization, and daily study customization but I started to use an iphone app from a ministry that does a supper amazing job at this. The one thing that seems obvious to me but not to everyone else is a search right click. bringing a drop down box to how it searches.

This is like clicking in the highlight window and having it find everything highlighted a certain way, now you have to , yes I can't search detailed this way but I want a search that is easy and very intuitive.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:29 PM

I love competition as I think it keeps everyone going forward whether it be the Church(synergistic Competition) or products. That being said I tend to buy the best for my needs. I like windows 8, but buy and will continue to use Apples as my main computer. Its just easier to maintain one infrastructure. For all those mac fanatics who think that Apples are the only thing, they are good but not heavenly! Preach the Gospel not the mans creation, it will fail.

Accordance is the bomb, why it just works, but I use logos for the free book of the month, they tend to be just like books on the Kindle or..... I read those by themselves not in conjunction with everything else. 

Believe it or not I also prefer BOOKS on paper with good bindings, and would love it if publishers would offer discounts for buying the digital and printed version. The Best of both worlds.



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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:32 PM

I have Accordance and the L-company software. I use both, mainly for studying the original languages. I just read books. Normally they are things that help my studying such as, bibles, translations, lexicons, grammars.

 

My original language study consists mainly of reading, I rarely search anything. I have found Accordance to be faster. Also some things in Accordance are designed in my opinion better, like when I use a hebrew dictionary I can specify whether I want to search a hebrew or aramaic or english word. In order to search I do not have to change my keyboard or type some sort of "h" in the beginning for Accordance to turn the radicals in to hebrew characters. I have not found L to be so simple for example in this case, but I am not a long time user of these programs, so maybe I have not found the right way to do it.

 

Some things like reading Peshitta I would like to do in Accordance but without lexicon I am forced to use L, they also provide two grammars for syriac.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 12:14 AM

I'm loyal to Accordance, for a number of reasons and the competitiveness, such as syntax, like others said quality resources offered (both the selection and the actual keying and delivery of them). (On the likeliness of getting everything Accordance sells: https://www.accordan...icons/?p=123941)
My resource suggestions for Accordance, click further: https://www.accordan...le/#entry111770
Three important resource suggestions: https://www.accordan...ts/#entry123537 and https://www.accordan...guistics-brill/ and https://www.accordan...sters/?p=123996  ... just click like on that my last comment there!
My review: https://www.accordan...op/#entry118400

As it does have a whole lot of relevance for all this even though perhaps a minority will wait for, request, or eventually need to use it (we'll see, it might as well start a revolution too!), I want to link to this feature suggestion I have: https://www.accordan...-of-theologies/

... and if Your thoughts don't differ from mine at all it is also enough if You just like the post or like that comment there with further which has clarification in it!
 

It would be nice if users and those who just find this comment of mine even if not being Accordance users, would look at my thread: https://www.accordan...ther-religions/
... where I express that I want to find people and be added as a friend/contacted outside of forums too even IRL.
... there is also a link there to a poll which pertains to what I say below at the end of my comment:

Niko brought up something which is so similar to my use: If I for example need an obscure Bible version, even though some "obscure" Bible versions such as Confraternity Version are my main ones I will use almost every additional Bible infrequently (and for certain types of use and when the weather is "very cold" or there's a lot of moist (there is never very much moist here)) I use paper Bibles anyway. I don't have a vast multitude of grammars. They are very very useful under Accordance and most of what I really need is offered but I haven't bought anywhere, but I think of the tremendous effort it takes to code grammars so I buy when I have clear conscience that this will not sit just as an intro or pure reference work but I will actually consult it in research and be up to that. With translations of secondary literature I actually sold off most of what I had under the "competing" (though it really only competes with the position it holds, not as a good choice though many have been fooled by it to a lot of use (get locked into!) that platform) with regards to translations Years ago and have not regretted that the slightest selling off and am using printed matter for that now - by which I'm saying I also chose to forgo Accordance's Outside the Bible that was cheap for the volume of it but I have an even more recent translation in print now. But for lexicons I'm super affirmative of the use of having those, all kinds of needed languages and also for very small user bases, to be had or offered under Accordance:

I have Accordance and the L-company software. I use both, mainly for studying the original languages. I just read books. Normally they are things that help my studying such as, bibles, translations, lexicons, grammars.

The only thing I'd like the competitor produce if there's a larger demand over there (though if Accordance would find additional persons who would like to key just that why not produce it over here), is: https://www.logos.co...edia-britannica  ... and if You go over there, please note that only very high bids count (the higher always the better in a case such as this), and yes this is even if You are not a user and not a fan of the resource or the platform! There is no harm in or immediate shipping caused by, voting

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 12:41 AM

Some things like reading Peshitta I would like to do in Accordance but without lexicon I am forced to use L, they also provide two grammars for syriac.

 

Are you aware that Accordance offers morphological tagging for the Peshitta, so that you get at least a word gloss for the Aramaic?  Check out their offerings, such as this one, which make the tagged text available.

 

True, there is currently not yet a Syriac-focused lexicon, but you will have some hits in HALOT Aramaic and Targum Onkelos Glossary.  (I have also requested additional Aramaic / Syriac resources in another post).  There is a lot of similarity in the words in Targum Onkelos and the Peshitta "OT".

 

That being said, Accordance technically has something that Logos doesn't when it comes to Peshitta.  The Exchange now has some more (untagged) Peshitta resources, including actual transcribed manuscripts, which Logos won't have.  (BW has them because I had permission to upload them there as well).

 

But because the Peshitta has so few variants (virtually none compared to Greek versions), you can use those additional modules on the Exchange along with Accordance' tagged version, if you have it.

 

Peace.

 

P.S. On the topic here of software loyalty, I've relinquished the hope of having all resources on one platform.  I currently use multiple Bible software's, and not just that, but there are other programs that I use daily in conjunction for my study and work.  That being said, I am shifting more focus to Accordance than some other programs, but not all.  There are still other programs (mainly one) that--let's just say, for the number of unique resources I have there to ever make it here in Accordance--never gonna happen.  So I have to use multiple programs, and I'm fine with that.  I figure that is what a computer is designed to do.  Or, to put it another way, that is why they call it "Windows": because you can have more than one open at a time.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 02:50 AM

On the topic; I agree with TYA. 

 

I think to focus on one software is certainly helpful. Everytime you change the platform, you need to relearn how the SW works instead of learning the topic. 

The other constraint is, Accordance will never have all the books you need, so you always need other resources. Or your are reducing your understanding of the bible to the resources of Accordance, that would make me feel bad.

 

Therefore, I decided for definite set of things I would like to have in Accordance, for other resources, I buy the books or use the cloud.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 06:05 AM

 

They need to make some serious improvements to User Notes and User Tools. Full integration the same as Accordance produced modules.

 

 

 

Absolutely agree with this. The current User-created content is really lacking. Painless creation/ import of PDF, RTF and DOC files would be a huge step forward.


Edited by Alistair, 20 December 2018 - 06:06 AM.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 09:10 AM

While I probably am loyal to Accordance, I'm much more so loyal to the staff at OakTree who have continually demonstrated kindness, humility, generosity, and hard work. 


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 09:19 AM

While I probably am loyal to Accordance, I'm much more so loyal to the staff at OakTree who have continually demonstrated kindness, humility, generosity, and hard work.


Amen to that thought, brother!

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 09:23 AM

While I probably am loyal to Accordance, I'm much more so loyal to the staff at OakTree who have continually demonstrated kindness, humility, generosity, and hard work. 

 

Thanks, jarcher! That is very appreciated! 



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Posted 20 December 2018 - 09:35 AM

While I definitely don't mind discussion on this topic, I don't like us resurrecting a 5+ year old thread.  I'm going to go ahead and lock this, feel free to make a new thread discussing any of the topics here :)


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